Cold and Missing: Abby Williams and Libby German

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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.

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My name is Ali McLaughlin and I am your host.

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I am so sad to report this week that my beautiful husband, the love of my life, the incredible

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Eli Sulkowski is not with us.

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He is very busy this weekend.

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He is actually shooting a movie, which is incredible, that he wrote and that he's starring

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in, which is so cool.

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And it's, it's, I'm so proud of him and I'm so, it's so amazing to watch your partner

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like think of something, like have this idea in their head and then to see them like go

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through every single step to make it a reality.

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And then like here he is shooting the movie that he wrote during the pandemic.

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Like I am so proud of him and I'm his biggest fan and I'm so sad that he's not here, but

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I'm so happy that he's, you know, doing his thing and like making his dreams come true,

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our dreams come true.

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I'm a proud wife.

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Can you tell?

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So anyway, it's just me.

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It's just me this week.

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So because of that, I decided to bring you a case.

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We're still on our cold missing, cold missing kick.

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So this is, I don't know if it's technically a cold case, but it's, it's an unsolved case

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and it is more popular, which is a little bit different.

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But again, because my husband is in here, I didn't want to do a case that I did a lot

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of research for where I normally want him here.

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So I decided to do this case that I've been following since the day that it happened.

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Some of you may be familiar with it.

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I hope I bring a perspective that is maybe a little bit interesting.

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If you have heard of it, we are going to be talking about the currently unsolved murders

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of Abigail Williams and Liberty German.

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And these took place in Delphi, Indiana on February 13th, 2017.

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First to give you guys a little bit about the girls.

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So Abigail, she went by Abby Williams.

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She is said by family and friends to have been just so sweet and so kind and thoughtful.

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She was shy around, you know, maybe people she didn't know, but like around friends.

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She was a lot more lively and she loved crafting.

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It said that she had like a closet full of crafts and was always trying something new.

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She was super athletic.

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And she was part of the volleyball team, the softball team, just like an all around kind,

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sweet girl.

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She was in middle school when these crimes took place.

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And Liberty German, she went by Libby, described as being a very gentle soul and laid back

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but also a defender.

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Like it would take a lot to make her mad, but if you got her mad, she was going to let

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you know about it.

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So she would not tolerate any kind of bullying.

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And Libby is also very athletic.

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So she would play softball and then she would jump into soccer and then she would jump into

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volleyball and then she would jump into swimming.

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And by the time all of that wrapped up, it was like time to do it all over.

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So softball, soccer, volleyball, swimming.

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And like I mentioned, Abby was also a part of a lot of these teams with her.

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So both of these girls were super athletic, super involved in their schools.

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All of their teachers had nothing but kind things to say to them and will still stop

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the parents and grandparents of these girls to just tell them how wonderful they were.

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And I believe the girls' pictures are still up in the middle school.

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Like they were very loved by that community and still are to this day.

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The community still really is protective of the girls.

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So this is maybe where I can add maybe a unique perspective to the case.

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I actually used to live very close to Delphi, so not in Delphi, Indiana proper, but I lived

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in the town next door, which was called Brookston.

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But I found myself in Delphi all the time because they had the CVS and a Dairy Queen

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and Pizza Hut.

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So these were like lovely amenities.

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The town that I was living in, Brookston, they had a gas station, like a couple little

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stores here and there, but it was a one stoplight town.

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So surprisingly, Delphi was the biggest, but this is still like such a rural community.

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It's still such a tiny town, even though to me it had these like, you know, amenities

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of convenience, even though it was still like a full 25 minute drive, half hour drive to

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get there and back.

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So it was like a full hour excursion to like go pick up something quickly.

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But so that's, you know, that's living in the country and a lot of folks who live in

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rural areas know what that's like.

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So this is very much the community that Delphi's in and where these crimes specifically take

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place at, it's called the Monon High Bridge, but I've only ever heard of it as High Bridge

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when I lived there.

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So you'll hear me referring to it as High Bridge throughout the podcast today.

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But I've been there with my friend to take pictures, which is exactly what like Abby

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and Libby were doing that day.

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I went there with my friend Carol Anne.

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Shout out to Carol Anne if you're listening.

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And we did exactly what these girls were doing, which was like taking pictures and like hanging

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out with each other.

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So it is completely normal and expected for like kids to go there.

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So like maybe to somebody listening that's not from this area, it seems like weird that

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you would like let your kids, your middle schoolers go to this trail, specifically this

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kind of abandoned bridge, which I will talk more about in a minute.

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But it's not.

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It was so busy.

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Every time that I was there, I saw like somebody else there outside of who I was.

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Like it was a very common place to be.

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And you know, in these small towns with not a lot to do, there's not a movie theater anywhere

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close by.

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You know, there's not a lot of amenities as far as like for teenagers to hang out.

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Like this was the place to be.

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And like, I totally get it.

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I totally understand it.

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So but let's get into some of the details of the case before I just inundate you guys

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with stories of my youth.

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So Monday, February 13th, 2017.

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It's a Monday in February.

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So you're probably thinking these girls should be in school, right?

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They actually had a built in snow day.

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So what that means if you're not from an area that gets a lot of snow, sometimes the schools

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will build in these snow days.

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So if they had to take a snow day, say in January, which is kind of typical, then they

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don't have to like add that day on in the summer.

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They would just like take away this day and they would just like go to school as normal.

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But this year in the year of 2017, it's actually a pretty mild winter as far as Indiana is

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concerned.

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So they don't have school on this Monday.

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They have that built in snow day off.

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So Abby has stayed the night at Libby's house and they stayed up late the night before on

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Sunday night.

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And according to Libby's grandma, Becky and Mike are her grandparents and she lives with

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them and they have full custody of her.

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So you'll hear me refer to Mike and Becky a lot.

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But according to Becky, the girls were like working on this craft project because again,

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they both were so crafty and they were in the middle of painting this chocolate side,

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which like is such slumber party vibes.

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Like it's just like perfect that Monday.

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Since the girls had been up late the night before they slept until around 10 on that

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Monday.

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And when they woke up, Libby's dad, Derek is there and he makes the girls pancakes for

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breakfast and the girls, Libby like wanted to go do something.

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You know, she's a teenage girl.

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She's a middle schooler.

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Like wants to go hang out, do something, but everyone had work that day because again,

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it's Monday.

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So her sister Kelsey, her grandmother and her dad all have work.

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So the girls end up going to Becky's work and she tells them like, Hey, if you come

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over, I've got some filing that I need done.

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So if you do the filing, I'll pay you.

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And then maybe later today we can go shopping when I get off of work.

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So there's this kind of plan for the day, um, initially laid out in the morning.

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So the girls head over to Becky's work and they're doing their filing and around one

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o'clock Kelsey German, this is Libby's sister.

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She stops by because she's heading into work later.

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And so she's going to hang with a friend at a friend's house and then go into work later

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that evening.

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Cause she has to be at work at four, I believe.

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And Libby asks her when she swings by if she will drive her and Abby to the high bridge

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to the trail to hang out.

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And Kelsey says it's fine.

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She doesn't have an issue with it.

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And so they ask her grandmother, Becky, and Becky says it's fine, but you need to find

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a ride home and make sure that it's okay with Abby's mom.

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Totally normal, totally cool.

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So Libby arranges for her dad to pick her up cause he's out doing some work and he'll

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he'll be coming back through in about an hour and a half.

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So it's just perfect.

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So the girls leave the office, Kelsey, Abby, and Libby, and they head to the bridge.

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And between 1.35, 1.38, right in there, the girls are dropped off by Kelsey and she watches

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them walk onto the trail.

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So there's like a little parking lot at the beginning of like this trailhead and it's

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surrounded by like a wooded area.

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And so she watches the girls walk into the trail and then it kind of bends slightly.

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So then you're out of sight at the parking lot.

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And this is all confirmed by cell phone records because Kelsey gets a call right as she's

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dropping the girls off and as she's leaving.

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So we have like a clear time of what time the girls were at the bridge.

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And so then Libby, she started doing like what teens do.

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And so after they're dropped off, Libby starts doing like a little teen thing and gets on

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Snapchat and she posts a picture first of the bridge.

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And you've been hearing me refer to it as high bridge.

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So just a little background about this trail area, just so you can kind of get it in your

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head as we talk about it, because this is where a lot of this takes place.

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So you get dropped off and then you walk a little bit through the woods.

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And this is how I remember it.

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And this is also kind of confirmed by the details in the case.

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But at one point the trail kind of forks.

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And so there's an option to go towards the creek.

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It's called Deer Creek that runs right there.

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So that way you can get close and people do fishing and stuff down there.

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Or you can take the other way in the fork, which leads to the high bridge.

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Now the high bridge is an abandoned railroad track that goes over Deer Creek.

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And I'm not completely sure about how high it is above Deer Creek, but it feels like

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at least 30 feet from my memory.

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And I'm not somebody who is scared of heights or woozy.

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Like I kind of like being up high.

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I like that feeling in my tummy and you know, I've done zip lines and like, I love it.

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I am not somebody who is scared of heights.

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But as I was like taking my first steps on to this abandoned railroad track that goes

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over this creek, I felt wobbly and a little woozy in my knees.

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So please imagine a railroad track going over a creek, right?

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Like kind of that bridge scenario.

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But at that time in 2017 and you know, when I visited there, there was nothing that could

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really stop you from going over the side.

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So there was no rails at all.

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It was literally a train track that you walked across.

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Like that was it.

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And there was nothing underneath either.

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So like when you think about a train track, those spaces between like each plank of wood,

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those were all there and there was nothing underneath.

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So like if your leg was small enough and like, you know, it would actually have to be pretty

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large to like not go through.

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But like if you weren't watching your step while you were up there, your leg could easily

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like go through these tracks.

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Like it when I first went there, I was like, this is completely bizarre that there's not

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even a handrail to like stop you from going over the edge.

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But like I have pictures with my friend of us like sitting on the edge and like laying

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like the girls are there and they post a picture of the train tracks.

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Libby posts it and we'll be posting, you know, all of these to Instagram as well.

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So that way you can get these mental images if you're not familiar with them.

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So she posted an image and it appears that she's on the side of the bridge that's closest

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to the park, the parking lot.

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So once you cross over this bridge, it's kind of interesting in how the trail from my memory

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and I believe at this time, so it would curve as you were like walking across it, it would

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curve but then it wouldn't like loop in any way.

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So like once you got across the bridge to get back to the parking lot, your only other

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option was to go back across that bridge again from what I remember in my understanding that

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that was really your only option.

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There wasn't like a big loop being around.

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It was like you cross the bridge, you could walk a little bit farther, but then you would

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have to come back over that bridge again.

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And at 2 0 7, Libby posts a picture of Abby walking on the train tracks to Snapchat.

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That happens at 2 0 7 and this is the last communication that we really have from the

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girls is this Snapchat that's uploaded to her story or whatever it's called over there.

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So that happens at 2 0 7, roughly 30 minutes after they're dropped off, which makes sense

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because it takes a little bit of time to get over to the woods.

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At 3 11, Derek, Libby's dad, calls Libby as he's driving to the trailhead to the parking

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lot to pick up the girls to say like, hey, start walking back because like I just said,

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it takes a few minutes to get to the parking lot from the bridge.

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She doesn't pick up.

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Not really worried at this time.

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I don't know what the cell service was like in 2017, but when I was there, this was 2010,

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2011 right in there.

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When I was there, the cell service was very spotty and it was like you could have it in

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one spot and then be dead for a while.

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So you know, I wouldn't immediately be concerned if maybe somebody didn't pick up their phone

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while they were on this trail because I think I would think there were like cell phone dead

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spots along the way.

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At 3 14, Derek calls again because at this point he's at the parking lot and he says

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he calls her as he's getting out of his truck and he starts walking towards the trail and

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kind of looks around and he doesn't get any response from her.

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So he begins to start walking the trail and as he's walking the trail, you know, he's

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keeping an eye out for the girls.

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He comes up to that fork and he says that he sees an older gentleman that's out walking

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there because again, this was a very unseasonably warm day for February and this is a very popular

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spot.

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Anytime that I went to High Bridge personally, I always saw somebody else there no matter

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what time it was like there was always seemed to be somebody else there.

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So Derek runs into this gentleman and he asked if he's seen, you know, the girls on the trail

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and he says that he hadn't but there was a couple that was, you know, down by the creek

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underneath the bridge, which are those train tracks when I refer to the bridge, it's the

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train track.

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girls are down there.

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At 3.30, Derek calls Becky, which is Libby's grandmother and says that he can't get a hold

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of the girls.

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So he's pretty quick to call.

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This is only 15 minutes, you know, after they're kind of roughly agreed upon time that they

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were going to be picked up.

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So Becky starts calling Libby's cell phone to try to get a hold of her and is not getting

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any response either.

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At four o'clock, so this is coming up close to an hour, Mike, which is Libby's grandfather,

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is called and he is at work at this time.

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So he leaves work and starts heading for this trail.

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And Becky at this time as well is also leaving work and she goes home and she meets another

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family member at home.

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And so they decide as they're driving over to the trail, they're going to take the two

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ways that the girls could possibly have walked home.

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So there's only like two roads that they could have taken out of these trails to come home,

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even though this was not the agreed upon plan, but just to cover all their bases.

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So the family member goes one way, Becky goes another, and everyone's heading towards the

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bridge.

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So Mike, he's left work.

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He gets there around 5.15.

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And at this point, family members have shown up, just some friends have shown up because

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they've been calling people to see if they've heard from the girls.

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And Becky says it's going to get dark soon.

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So they decide that they are going to go ahead and call the cops.

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And that's at 5.20.

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So that's roughly two hours after the girls went missing.

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The police are called and within 10 minutes, they are within route to the bridge area,

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to the trail to begin looking for the girls.

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So family and friends are already in the trails looking for the girls.

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They're all calling their cell phones.

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Becky's on the phone with AT&T to ask them if they're able to trace Libby's cell phone

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at all.

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Because this is the thing that started to worry them because Libby always had her cell

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phone in her hand.

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So at this point, with so many people calling, there should be no reason that she's not picking

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up.

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She's not answering.

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So AT&T is giving Becky the run around while she's walking.

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She says she doesn't really remember a lot of her walking because she just remembers

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this phone call.

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But they basically tell her that they can't help her.

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They can't trace the phone.

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They can't do that.

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But what she can do is like get Libby's phone and download, find my iPhone on it, and then

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she can do it.

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And she's like, are you not listening to me?

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Like, no, I don't have her phone.

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I don't have her.

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I need you to help me.

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But AT&T was not helpful for that.

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As the police are called, Becky, this AT&T phone call, I believe, happens before the

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police are called.

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But as the police are called, Becky is like, I need to find Anna, which is Abby's mom.

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She had been trying to get a hold of Anna since the girls weren't answering.

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Anna is at work.

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And so she's in route to Anna's work when Anna finally calls her, says she got her messages.

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She couldn't have her phone on her.

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And so they are headed to the police station because the police want to begin the process

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of trying to track her phone, Libby's phone.

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And Mike, on his way to the police station that evening, he is also going to swing by

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the house and collect every piece of electronic iPad, tablet, whatever, anything, anything

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electronic that was in Libby's possession, he brings to the police this night so that

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way they can begin the kind of looking through it to see if there's any way to either ping

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her phone from one of those or if there's any information on any of her other electronics.

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And police say that they tried pinging those phones for several hours that evening, but

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the sheriff believes they were either dead or turned off at this point.

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The local news gets word that these girls are missing and they actually run the girl's

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story that evening that they're missing.

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So right away there's quick media coverage to these girls.

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There's a quick police response to find these girls.

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And I actually remember that night, February 13th, I know one of the girls' coaches from

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living in that area, you know, were Facebook friends.

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And one of their coaches had posted that, you know, the girls were missing, they were

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last seen at High Bridge, you know, please pray for them.

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This is very unlike them.

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They're very good girls, very responsible, you know, very trustworthy.

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So this was super out of their character.

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But I remember seeing that.

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And like initially my thought was, I was like, oh my God, they fell.

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Like that was the only thing that made sense to me for this area.

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And myself have been there, I was like, oh my God, they fell.

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They fell off that bridge, you know, like they got to, you know, whatever.

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But that was my initial thought when I saw that these girls were missing in their last

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location.

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Like that was my worst fear at that time that they had fallen.

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So at 1145, police actually call off the search for that evening.

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But the sheriff is quoted as saying, quote, they have no reason to believe that the girls

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were in imminent danger and crews would resume their search in the morning, end quote.

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But Mike says that family members and friends and other volunteers were in the woods, on

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the trail, on the bridge all night long, searching for these girls, calling out their names,

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calling their phones, trying to get some response from them.

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I couldn't find if there was a time when there wasn't anybody there.

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So, you know, maybe in the earlier hours, you know, people would maybe take a break

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just to rest for a minute and then come back out.

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I really don't know what time family and friends or volunteers came out of the woods that night,

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if they came out of the woods that night.

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I couldn't find a clear answer on that.

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So at 10 a.m., you know, all the volunteers, police, firefighters, like all of those crews

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meet again at the high bridge to resume the official search for Abby and Libby.

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But again, it does appear that like family and friends were like in there regardless

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of like when the police said the official search was happening and when it was not.

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So lots of people are in these woods on this is February 14th, so Valentine's Day of 2017.

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The search resumes.

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There's a lot of people in these woods and at around 1245, they announced that they had

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found the girls and that it was not good.

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Shortly after this, there's a quick press conference held just announcing that during

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the search for the girls that they did recover two bodies.

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At this time, they don't say if it's Abby or Libby, but it is them.

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Nobody else is missing at this time in Delphi, Indiana.

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But that evening, police officially say that like, you know, they're not searching anymore

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for the girls so that, you know, that gives everything they know.

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So the next day, February 15th, police at this point officially identify the bodies

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as being Abby and Libby.

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And this again is held during a press conference earlier in the afternoon.

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And then that evening, police reveal that they have significant evidence that is unlike

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any other case out there.

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But Libby, in her absolute presence of mind, in her absolute brilliance of minds, this

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smart girl, while she was on the bridge that day, February 13th, during this time, roughly

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207 when that last Snapchat was posted to 315 when her dad is in the woods, you know,

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calling out her name and looking for her.

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You know, that's really the question of what happened, you know, right in there during

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that timeframe and police reveal that they have Libby's phone, that they were able to

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recover Libby's phone.

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And it's not specific where it was, if it was with her at the crime scene in the woods,

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that's not clear.

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And I guess I should just say this now that there's not a lot of information out there.

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Police have kept everything very close.

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But more recently in 2021 and 2022, there have been some updates.

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So I'm going to kind of spread those in a little bit.

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But overall, there's not a lot of details out there.

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So police have Libby's phone and this brilliant girl recorded a video on her phone of the

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man that police have called the prime suspect.

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They've released pictures of him.

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They've released video of him.

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They've released his voice.

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But on February 15th, they just released two stills from this video that Libby took on her phone.

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And again, we don't know why she started taking this video.

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You know, if she felt uncomfortable, why wouldn't she call 911?

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But again, like I mentioned before, like cell service was really shoddy out there.

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You know, there's so much speculation about this.

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And I don't want to speculate too much because this feels so horrible.

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But she had the presence of mind to like start recording this man.

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And you know, in these pictures, you can see he appears to be approaching them and it looks

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like he's coming from the direction of the parking lot.

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And so they're on the other side of the bridge.

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So the only way to get out of this trail system would have been to get by him on this bridge.

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And in this photo, you know, it's a white man.

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He's wearing a hat and like this big oversized navy coat.

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There's like kind of a brown thing.

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I don't know if it's a sweatshirt.

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Some people have theorized it's like a fanny pack.

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But there's like kind of like a brown section hanging out of his coat.

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And then he's in blue jeans, but his head's down.

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And again, this is very normal for being on the bridge.

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I don't think he knew he was being filmed.

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I think he was keeping his head down because you literally have to.

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Like I said, like there's nothing underneath those train tracks.

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So when you walk, your head automatically just stays down because you need to keep your

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footing because this is the last place you want to like fall and trip because God forbid

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you go over the side.

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Like there's no handrails.

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There wasn't at this time anyway.

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So police released these images of this man.

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And at this point, they don't call him a suspect.

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But in the next few days, they'll say he is the prime suspect.

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On February 18th, 2017, the girls have a public visitation at their middle school.

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So that way everyone can come say goodbye.

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And I believe it was open casket from everything that's reported.

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But this is the day the girls are laid to rest.

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And then the next day is when that man in the photo that I mentioned, which again, I

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will be posting to Instagram.

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He's officially named the prime suspect of the murders.

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And then February 22nd, police release audio from the video and it's not much, but I'm

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going to play it for you guys here.

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Now initially they just release down the hill and that's the only part that comes out.

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But in 2019, they released the guys portion.

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So that was the portion of the audio that was released in 2019.

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But initially it was just down the hill.

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But here I'm playing it all for you.

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So you get it all at once.

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And they confirm that both the audio and the pictures, the videos are from a video on Libby's

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phone taken by her at the high bridge.

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And they don't go into details about how long this video is.

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I've heard reports out there of different times, but nothing's been confirmed and nothing

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else about what's on it.

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So hundreds of tips have come in on this case.

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They actually have to reroute the tips through the FBI just because of the sheer volume.

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And they also are using electronic billboards all across the country to show the girl's

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face and the picture taken from Libby's phone of this prime suspect, the man on the bridge.

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And at the end of February, investigators will actually move into a building just dedicated

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for this investigation.

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Because so many police force, not only the Delphi police, but Carroll County, which is

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the county it sits in, their police are involved.

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The state Indian state police became involved with the investigation and the FBI.

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So the small little like municipal building where like the police were had so much traffic,

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like the rest of the city just like couldn't function.

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So they actually had to move this investigation specifically to its own building just because

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of how big it is and how many people were working on it.

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About mid March, Libby and Abby's family will announce that in their memory, they are going

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to build like a sports complex for the girls, the Abby and Libby.

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I believe it's a softball field now, but a softball complex actually, it's like several

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00:31:11,740 --> 00:31:12,740
fields.

456
00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:15,180
It's really cool, but that has been built.

457
00:31:15,180 --> 00:31:20,020
But this is announced in just the weeks following that this is the vision and how the families

458
00:31:20,020 --> 00:31:22,900
want to memorialize the girls.

459
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:29,700
And so like I said, we don't know much about what happened to the girls, but April or June

460
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:37,620
of this year of 2022, a search warrant comes out for a search that happens in the weeks

461
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:38,620
following.

462
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:39,900
Let me back up a little bit.

463
00:31:39,900 --> 00:31:45,380
So where the girls were found, where their bodies were found, it was only about a half

464
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:51,100
a mile from the end of this, of the high bridge of where the train tracks end.

465
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:55,820
So it was relatively close to the trail, but where they were was technically on private

466
00:31:55,820 --> 00:32:01,500
property and the police have questioned the man who owns this property and he actually

467
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:06,100
went to jail because of a probation violation in regards to all of this.

468
00:32:06,100 --> 00:32:12,160
And he has never formally been charged with anything, but they did search his home, which

469
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,060
I think is only reasonable considering that the girls were found on his property.

470
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,060
Again, he has a lot of property.

471
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:21,500
It's rural Indiana.

472
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:25,460
In the search warrant, this is from the search warrant.

473
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:30,700
So a large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene, according to the

474
00:32:30,700 --> 00:32:32,220
search warrant.

475
00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:36,020
Because of the amount of blood, investigators believe that the perpetrator would have gotten

476
00:32:36,020 --> 00:32:42,700
blood on their hands or clothing and the murderer likely took a souvenir from the crime scene,

477
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:50,580
according to the document and it quote, appeared the girls' bodies were moved and staged, end

478
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:51,740
quote.

479
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:55,100
And the search warrant has been redacted.

480
00:32:55,100 --> 00:33:01,420
So it didn't specify what they believed was missing, but quote, the rest of their clothing

481
00:33:01,420 --> 00:33:05,920
was recovered and there were no signs of a struggle or fight.

482
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:13,900
So that is the most details that we have gotten about what could have happened to the girls.

483
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:18,980
And again, I don't want to speculate because it just feels horrible until we know everything.

484
00:33:18,980 --> 00:33:24,620
I don't want to add any speculation out there, but I know it sounds horrible and it doesn't

485
00:33:24,620 --> 00:33:26,940
sound right.

486
00:33:26,940 --> 00:33:34,080
And I thought, you know, as somebody who had lived in this area, I was shocked by these

487
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,540
murders when it came out that, you know, these girls were murdered, that it hadn't just been

488
00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:41,420
like a very tragic hiking accident.

489
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:46,820
I instantly thought it had to have been somebody who was from the community because it was

490
00:33:46,820 --> 00:33:49,400
kind of hard to find these trails.

491
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,860
Somebody had to take me there the first time.

492
00:33:51,860 --> 00:33:52,860
You know, there were no roads.

493
00:33:52,860 --> 00:33:56,460
It's like you just kind of pulled off this country road and you were in this parking

494
00:33:56,460 --> 00:33:57,460
lot.

495
00:33:57,460 --> 00:33:59,380
But if you blinked, you would have missed it if you were driving by.

496
00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:02,140
Like you really had to kind of know it was there.

497
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:07,520
And Duffie being so small, I just, it was really hard for me to believe that like somebody

498
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:13,580
would stumble upon them on this kind of unscheduled day off, but like they maybe would have been

499
00:34:13,580 --> 00:34:14,780
in school, maybe not.

500
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:19,540
Like that they would like know that these girls would be out, that he would stumble

501
00:34:19,540 --> 00:34:25,220
upon them, be able to get in and out of these woods quickly without being caught.

502
00:34:25,220 --> 00:34:26,660
Because, you know, there were people there.

503
00:34:26,660 --> 00:34:31,180
There was that gentleman that Derek ran into that is not a suspect.

504
00:34:31,180 --> 00:34:35,460
And police interviewed other people that were on the bridge that day, on the trails that

505
00:34:35,460 --> 00:34:36,460
day.

506
00:34:36,460 --> 00:34:38,060
So people were out.

507
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:46,500
And just to get in and out of those woods seems really, really interesting to me.

508
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,820
If somebody had just happened upon it, that seems kind of impossible.

509
00:34:49,820 --> 00:34:55,180
So I do think it was somebody who knows Delphi and knows the area.

510
00:34:55,180 --> 00:35:01,580
And because Libby had gotten this person's picture and his voice, I assumed it would

511
00:35:01,580 --> 00:35:03,660
be solved within weeks.

512
00:35:03,660 --> 00:35:06,900
I think a lot of people did when you have that evidence.

513
00:35:06,900 --> 00:35:11,100
Like the victim is literally showing you who did it.

514
00:35:11,100 --> 00:35:17,860
Like what a break in a case, but still the case goes unsolved until this day.

515
00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:26,140
And you know, there have been updates in the case as far as new leads, but I don't really

516
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:30,420
want to get into those too much because a lot of them have been discredited.

517
00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:35,620
So jumping back into 2017, they go unsolved.

518
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:44,620
And in July of 2017, police release a sketch of the person that they believe to be the

519
00:35:44,620 --> 00:35:46,620
person in the video.

520
00:35:46,620 --> 00:35:54,340
And this sketch is supposedly composited of witnesses along the trail of seeing this man.

521
00:35:54,340 --> 00:36:02,860
This composite sketch will remain, you know, the main picture alongside this until 2019

522
00:36:02,860 --> 00:36:10,100
when police completely changed the composite sketch and they release a new one and ask

523
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:13,640
for people to focus on the new sketch.

524
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,620
And they look very, very different.

525
00:36:15,620 --> 00:36:19,700
So I will be posting both of them just so you can see the difference in it.

526
00:36:19,700 --> 00:36:25,700
But the second sketch is the one that police say is more like the witness based off of

527
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:27,180
whatever evidence they have.

528
00:36:27,180 --> 00:36:31,380
And again, they've played everything so, so very close to the chest.

529
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:36,140
Late 2017 in September, there will be like kind of this new suspect that comes along

530
00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:42,580
that gets a lot of attention, but police will ultimately rule him out and the family will

531
00:36:42,580 --> 00:36:48,500
do some media tours so they'll go on the Dr. Ah show, they'll go on the Dr. Phil show,

532
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:52,860
talking about Abby and Libby's death and trying to promote tips.

533
00:36:52,860 --> 00:36:58,580
And this works every time they go on a talk show, like the tips jump according to police.

534
00:36:58,580 --> 00:37:02,220
So the family stays out there, stays on the media.

535
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:09,280
February 13th, 2018, so this is the one year mark, police hold a press conference and say

536
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:14,800
that they have received 30,000 tips that they and they are saying they are investigating

537
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,380
every single one that comes in.

538
00:37:16,380 --> 00:37:22,120
And the reward at this point is at $240,000 for information.

539
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,220
And police are saying that outside of, you know, kind of the big suspects that have jumped

540
00:37:26,220 --> 00:37:29,460
out, they've been interviewed dozens of suspects.

541
00:37:29,460 --> 00:37:33,000
Yeah, that's really what happens at the one year press conference.

542
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,740
And then there's not a whole lot of news until two years and people are still like really

543
00:37:38,740 --> 00:37:44,780
surprised that this has not been figured out yet, that there hasn't been a resolve.

544
00:37:44,780 --> 00:37:49,540
But police are insisting at two years, so this would be February 13th of 2019, that

545
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:52,780
it's not a cold case, that it's very much active.

546
00:37:52,780 --> 00:37:57,180
In April of that year is when they do a significant update.

547
00:37:57,180 --> 00:38:01,340
So I've talked about it a little bit already, but they released that additional audio, which

548
00:38:01,340 --> 00:38:03,940
is the guys again, I'll play it for you here.

549
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:16,540
And they released the new sketch of the suspects.

550
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:23,700
And then they release video, but it's really just these stills again, that they initially

551
00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:28,040
released, but they just kind of released like a three second clip of this person walking

552
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,740
on the bridge.

553
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:34,380
Over the years, suspects have popped up and popped out, but I want to go into what has

554
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:38,820
recently kind of come out at the end of 2021 2022.

555
00:38:38,820 --> 00:38:43,420
So it's been five years since the girls were murdered.

556
00:38:43,420 --> 00:38:48,140
We're coming up on six years this upcoming February, there has kind of been a new break

557
00:38:48,140 --> 00:38:50,780
in the case and it's because of a podcast.

558
00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:55,840
So the murder sheet podcast really helped shake some things loose here.

559
00:38:55,840 --> 00:39:00,540
But I'm quoting from a Fox 59 article here.

560
00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:08,780
So most recently the updates in this case, police are asking in regards to Libby and

561
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:18,780
Abby if anybody has had contact with the user profile, Anthony shots, and that's Anthony

562
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:21,340
underscore shots.

563
00:39:21,340 --> 00:39:29,380
And this would have been on Snapchat, Instagram, something called yellow or you bow, which

564
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:35,660
apparently is like a Tinder for teens, which but the murder she podcasts found these transcripts

565
00:39:35,660 --> 00:39:41,780
from an arrest unrelated to Abby and Libby's murder.

566
00:39:41,780 --> 00:39:47,540
And for years, the best evidence that the police have had is what Libby gave them, right?

567
00:39:47,540 --> 00:39:53,460
Like this video on her phone, this audio, these images, but it has come out recently

568
00:39:53,460 --> 00:39:59,100
that Libby was in contact with this profile, Anthony shots.

569
00:39:59,100 --> 00:40:04,220
And this kind of goes directly against everything that we had known before in this, like the

570
00:40:04,220 --> 00:40:08,860
family had kind of actively said that they don't believe there was a catfishing scenario

571
00:40:08,860 --> 00:40:12,840
here or anything like that, that there wasn't anything with social media going on.

572
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,740
So this has been a surprise to not only people following the case, but to family as well.

573
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:20,180
This is kind of come as a surprise to them.

574
00:40:20,180 --> 00:40:28,060
So in August of 2020, 27 year old Keegan Klein of Peru, Indiana was arrested on 30 counts

575
00:40:28,060 --> 00:40:33,860
of child solicitation, child exploitation, and possession of child porn.

576
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:39,380
But Keegan Klein also ran this account called Anthony shots.

577
00:40:39,380 --> 00:40:44,340
And if you search Anthony underscore shots, you can find this profile on Instagram still

578
00:40:44,340 --> 00:40:49,640
it's private, but it's the exact one that this person used.

579
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:54,340
And Klein admitted to police that Anthony shots was an account he used to talk to underage

580
00:40:54,340 --> 00:40:55,340
girls.

581
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:59,620
He told police he'd find girls, both people he knew and didn't know on Instagram and

582
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:07,100
talked to him through messages on Snapchat or kick and past reports in regards to Libby

583
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:12,580
and Abby indicate that Klein was questioned by police after search of his home in Peru

584
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:15,660
12 days after Abby and Libby were murdered.

585
00:41:15,660 --> 00:41:20,580
So police found him pretty quickly after the murder and searched his home.

586
00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:25,300
And again, we have, you know, a search warrant from somebody else's home, but I imagine the

587
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:28,120
same things would have applied here.

588
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,240
And in the newly obtained transcripts, these transcripts were originally posted on a Miami

589
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:40,980
County court website, and Klein was interrogated by an Indiana State trooper and a sheriff

590
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:44,780
deputy on August 18 2020.

591
00:41:44,780 --> 00:41:49,100
So I'm going to read you a little bit of the transcripts that I was able to find because

592
00:41:49,100 --> 00:41:53,420
this has been removed now obviously, from in regards to Abby and Libby.

593
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:58,380
So this is all quote, quote, police.

594
00:41:58,380 --> 00:42:03,220
You had told investigators, and I know you say you don't remember a girl that you ever

595
00:42:03,220 --> 00:42:08,260
talked to but I know you remember Liberty German Klein inaudible.

596
00:42:08,260 --> 00:42:09,980
No idea what he says.

597
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:17,100
Police right and you know you talk her to her and admitted to talking to her and Klein

598
00:42:17,100 --> 00:42:18,260
cuts off.

599
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:23,060
I don't think I ever did though I think I talked to one of her friends like I told them

600
00:42:23,060 --> 00:42:27,060
and then he says something that is inaudible police.

601
00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:31,980
You you admitted you talked to her Klein inaudible.

602
00:42:31,980 --> 00:42:38,300
Again, police for a few hours at a sleepover and then you blocked her because she was annoying

603
00:42:38,300 --> 00:42:39,300
you.

604
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:41,180
You remember, Klein, you're right.

605
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:42,180
Yeah, police.

606
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:44,220
You remember that Klein.

607
00:42:44,220 --> 00:42:45,780
Yeah.

608
00:42:45,780 --> 00:42:50,860
And then later in the transcripts, the trooper confronts Klein saying that Anthony shots

609
00:42:50,860 --> 00:42:56,340
this profile was supposed to meet Libby on the high bridge on Delphi high bridge the

610
00:42:56,340 --> 00:42:58,020
day she died.

611
00:42:58,020 --> 00:43:03,020
And Klein says quote see I don't remember ever saying to meet up with me though, and

612
00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:04,020
quote.

613
00:43:04,020 --> 00:43:10,860
So what we know or what we believe to know is that this profile Anthony shots who Keegan

614
00:43:10,860 --> 00:43:18,220
Klein had access to and was running was supposed to meet with Libby German the day she died

615
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:21,060
on high bridge and this comes as a shock to her family.

616
00:43:21,060 --> 00:43:22,900
Her sister doesn't know anything about this.

617
00:43:22,900 --> 00:43:25,780
This, this is a shock to everybody.

618
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:33,260
So police based on their forensic investigation of this Anthony shots account believe that

619
00:43:33,260 --> 00:43:38,780
at least two people had access to this account and when confronted with that Klein says well

620
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:43,420
yeah I gave my password to quote a lot of people.

621
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:53,100
On December 9 2021 Keegan Klein gives an interview from jail to Barbara McDonald who is a producer

622
00:43:53,100 --> 00:43:55,060
for HLN network.

623
00:43:55,060 --> 00:44:00,260
And in the interview Klein said that his father also had access to the Anthony shots account

624
00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:05,420
and Klein told McDonald that Indiana State Police reportedly told him quote they knew

625
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:09,980
it was my dad and quote that killed Abby and Libby.

626
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:13,740
So this is taken from that interview McDonald.

627
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:17,340
Do you think you're going to be charged with anything related to Abby and Libby's murder

628
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:20,220
Klein No no I don't McDonald.

629
00:44:20,220 --> 00:44:23,380
So they haven't the state police haven't threatened that.

630
00:44:23,380 --> 00:44:25,700
Klein No no McDonald.

631
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:29,340
Do you feel like they're trying to get you to pin this on your dad.

632
00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:34,820
Klein Yes yes I do McDonald and that's probably why he's not speaking to you.

633
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:39,960
Klein right because when I first got arrested they told me that they knew it was my dad

634
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,580
and if they if I tell them all my charges will be dropped.

635
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:49,460
And then again in this transcript of this interview that police did which is roughly

636
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:55,300
a hundred and ninety four pages Anthony shots was in communication with Libby German the

637
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:56,340
night before her death.

638
00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:01,060
So remember she was having a sleepover with Abby and Klein told investigators he didn't

639
00:45:01,060 --> 00:45:05,260
exchange photos with Libby but he did admit to receiving photos from a friend of hers

640
00:45:05,260 --> 00:45:07,620
who was at the same sleepover.

641
00:45:07,620 --> 00:45:11,700
According to the transcripts investigators say they knew Libby was speaking to Anthony

642
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:16,120
shots at the sleepover the night before she went to the Delphi trail with Abby police

643
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,580
said they believe Libby was being groomed by the account.

644
00:45:19,580 --> 00:45:24,020
Unfortunately she was completely enthralled with Anthony shots and investigators said

645
00:45:24,020 --> 00:45:28,900
in the transcripts the transcripts also revealed that police told Klein he failed a polygraph

646
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:34,660
test when asked if he knew who killed Abby and Libby also that he deleted search history

647
00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:39,700
on his phone between the dates of February 10th and February 15th of 2017.

648
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:45,460
And remember the girls went missing on the 13th and they were found on the 14th and Klein

649
00:45:45,460 --> 00:45:50,980
also said in these transcripts that his father was quote freaking out when Klein told him

650
00:45:50,980 --> 00:45:56,220
in February of 2017 that detectives said Klein was a suspect in the Delphi murders.

651
00:45:56,220 --> 00:46:02,500
Klein goes on to tell McDonald so this goes back to the interview with the TV producer

652
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:10,220
that his dad you know is not a good person he is abusive that he is a deer hunter and

653
00:46:10,220 --> 00:46:14,820
robust enough to walk through the woods and strong enough to retrieve a deer.

654
00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:21,580
So that would be like a dead deer in this case but the police are still actively asking

655
00:46:21,580 --> 00:46:26,300
people if they know anything if they had any communication with Anthony shots to please

656
00:46:26,300 --> 00:46:27,860
come forward to the police.

657
00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:32,780
So this seems to be a very strong suspect I think in this case.

658
00:46:32,780 --> 00:46:40,420
So if you know anything about what happened to Abby Williams or Libby German on February

659
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:48,060
13th 2017 at the High Bridge in Delphi Indiana or if you have ever had any contact with the

660
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:56,460
social media profile Anthony shots on Instagram Snapchat yellow or you bow please reach out

661
00:46:56,460 --> 00:47:06,940
to law enforcement at 765-822-3535 or if you want to submit a tip via email you can do

662
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:17,980
that and the tip email is abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com.

663
00:47:17,980 --> 00:47:24,380
So again that's abbyandlibbytip at c a c o s h r f dot com.

664
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:29,100
Carroll County Sheriff is the acronym I think they're going for at the back there.

665
00:47:29,100 --> 00:47:34,140
But yeah that's I I didn't want to get too into this again this case has been covered

666
00:47:34,140 --> 00:47:39,740
a lot but like I said I used to live there and so I've been keeping my eyes on this case

667
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:43,860
since the day it happened since the day I saw on Facebook that they were missing you

668
00:47:43,860 --> 00:47:48,620
know I've I wanted to know what happened to them and this it's just crazy having lived

669
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:49,840
there.

670
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:56,820
This is such a small town and so safe before this it's completely unfathomable to think

671
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:59,060
of something like this happening there.

672
00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:04,700
So I really hope that we are close that the suspect Keegan Klein he is in jail currently

673
00:48:04,700 --> 00:48:08,380
on these 30 counts which seems accurate.

674
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:13,260
I'm glad he is in jail and safe and no longer being a predator on social media.

675
00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:18,540
But yeah I really I really hope that this gets resolved soon it's been five years which

676
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:23,740
is a really long time and just really tragic that these girls were murdered.

677
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:30,220
I mean they were best friends they loved each other so much and you know the family has

678
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:35,620
said over the years that if one of them maybe had an opportunity to run they wouldn't like

679
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they wouldn't have left each other alone.

680
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So like these girls were loyal to each other and with each other till the end and they

681
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deeply deserve justice and their families deserve peace and just like knowing that this

682
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person is off the streets and this community deserves peace that this person isn't out

683
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walking amongst them anymore.

684
00:48:53,260 --> 00:48:58,460
So yeah that's the case of the Delphi Indiana murders.

685
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They go by a lot of names but I've always known them as that.

686
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And I hope you enjoyed it.

687
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I hope I was able to tell the story chronologically in a way that made sense without Eli here

688
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asking questions.

689
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He's deeply missed I miss him so much.

690
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This was a lot harder without him but he'll be back next week and I'll be back and we'll

691
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be bringing you another episode.

692
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So have a good week y'all.