Transcript
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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm Ali.
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And I'm Eli.
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Welcome back, everyone.
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We are on episode 89 this week.
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Yes, and this week we are covering a cold case.
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Okay, do you want to just take us into it?
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Let's do it.
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So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person
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and there are mentions of sexual assault.
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And while all of the crimes we cover are horrible, this one is especially heinous.
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Today we are covering the cold case of Alexandra Anaya.
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And this takes place in August of 2005 in Hammond, Indiana.
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But first a little bit about Alexandra.
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Alexandra also goes by Alex, so you'll hear me refer to her as both Alexandra and Alex
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throughout the podcast.
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She is 13 years old in 2005 and the seventh grader at Clark Middle School in Hammond,
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Indiana, which is just outside of the city of Chicago.
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In school, Alex is a popular student.
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She loved playing music and she particularly loved Usher at this time.
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She also was an animal lover.
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When she grew up, she wanted to become a veterinarian.
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She had all sorts of different kinds of pets.
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Alex also has two younger twin sisters.
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While Alex's dad was not in her life, the twins father, Rudolfo Heredia, was in and
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out of their lives for the last several years.
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At this point in 2005, Alex's mother, Sandra Anaya, has broken up with Heredia.
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The girls and their mom lived in Hammond, Indiana while Heredia lived in nearby Chicago.
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Alex's younger sisters love her and look up to her in a lot of ways.
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Alex steps into their lives to nurture them while their mother is working.
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Years later, one of the sisters will say, quote, she would feed us, teach us stuff.
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She taught us our colors, our ABCs, our numbers.
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I know we would get on her nerves.
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She had to take us everywhere she went because mom was at work.
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We were her annoying little sisters, end quote.
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As we get into the timeline, it's important to map out the relationship between Heredia
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and Sandra as it will come into play quite a bit.
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Rudolfo Heredia and Sandra Anaya had broken up in the spring of 2005, just a few months
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before this.
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According to reports, Alex had told her mother that Heredia had been sexually assaulting
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her for years, since she was seven years old.
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When Sandra went to kick Heredia out, he grew angry, threatening Sandra and the girls.
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Sandra sticks to her guns and kicks him out and insists that he stays out.
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Over the next few months, Heredia will continually watch the family, according to local media.
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There are reports that Sandra would come home to find him standing on the roof of a car
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to peer into a second story window.
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And there's one story that Alex was scared because she saw Heredia on the roof of a nearby
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building watching the home.
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It's also reported that Heredia will get a key made for Sandra's home.
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And when Sandra has the locks changed, he'll make another copy of the new key.
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He'll enter the home and go through Sandra's bedside table.
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He ends up finding a pack of condoms and he takes them to her to confront her at her work.
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This is all starting to come to a head towards the end of the summer of 2005.
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Which brings us to our timeline.
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So Saturday, August 13th, 2005.
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This is happening in the early morning hours, Friday into Saturday morning.
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Sandra has a date and she ends up spending the evening out.
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She comes home around 3am and Alex is still awake.
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The two of them share some white castle and french fries.
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Sandra was going to head back out for the evening and Alex was headed to bed.
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It is believed that Sandra left the home around 4am-4.30am.
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When Sandra arrived back a few hours later, the first thing she notices is that the door
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is unlocked.
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This was unusual as she was sure that it was locked when she left.
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When she enters the home, Alex isn't in her bedroom.
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She checks her two younger daughters who are still asleep in their bed.
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As Sandra searches the home, she realizes that Alex is missing.
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She and her family lived on Pine Avenue in Hammond, Indiana and she was last seen wearing
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navy plaid pajama pants and a red Echo t-shirt.
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As Sandra continues to search, she starts calling family and Alex's friends to see if anyone
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knew where she was.
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When she couldn't find anyone who had seen her daughter, she calls the Hammond police
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to report her missing.
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The police treat her case as a runaway.
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While Alex had never done this before in the past, her mother Sandra acknowledged that
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it could be possible as she was reaching her teen years, but the two hadn't been fighting
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and there was nothing wrong.
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However, as each day creeps by with no sign of Alexandra, police and her family grow increasingly
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worried.
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On Saturday, August 20th, 2005, it's been a week that Alex has been missing and it starts
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hitting the newspapers for the first time.
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Hammond police chief Brian Miller is quoted as saying, we're concerned.
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She has a decent relationship with her mom.
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There's no evidence that we're finding, so the circumstances are unusual.
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Alexandra's mother Sandra does not believe that her daughter would run away, but also
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does not believe that she would stay gone this long.
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Witnesses have come forward over the last week saying that they saw Alexandra in a red
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car, possibly a four door Toyota.
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She was in the company of an adult man.
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Witnesses say that he was white.
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Her mother has no idea who this person could even be behind the scenes.
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Hammond police and the Chicago police department are working together to see if a recent discovery
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in the Little Calumet River had been related to Alexandra because a few days after Alexandra's
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disappearance, this is Tuesday, August 16th, 2005, only three days since she disappeared.
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A family is voting on the Little Calumet River on the south side of Chicago.
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In around 1130 AM, they find the torso of a girl's body in the river.
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The torso is nude.
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The body had been wrapped in heavy chains and straps around the waist and connected
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to a piece of concrete used to weigh it down to the bottom of the river.
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The body is missing her head, arms, and legs from the knee down.
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The body was found near 135th Street and Indiana Avenue.
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To date, her limbs and head have never been recovered.
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The next day, Wednesday, August 17th, 2005, there is an autopsy conducted on the torso.
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At this point, they have not been able to ID the body.
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The autopsy does reveal that the injuries are consistent with sexual assault.
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The case is quickly ruled a homicide.
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The exact cause of death is not disclosed.
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It's unclear if the medical examiner is able to tell from the autopsy.
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The medical examiner does find her last meal in her stomach, which included french fries.
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Additional details about Alex's murder are never revealed.
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Years later, an investigator will say, quote, the really horrifying stuff is what he did
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to her.
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I just couldn't believe he was that vicious, end quote.
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Investigators begin contacting police departments about missing person cases that could fit.
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They arrange to have a technician come down to extract DNA to try to enter into databases
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to see if there is any hit.
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Until then, she's labeled as morgue case 290.
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It's unclear exactly when, but within days, the Hammond police are asking Sandra for a
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sample of her DNA to compare to the torso found in the river.
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Sandra's mother is skeptical that it's Alex.
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The local papers have described the torso as a woman's body and possibly white.
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However, the rest of the family is suspicious.
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The body was found just blocks from her ready as home.
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On Wednesday, September 7th, Alex has been missing for three weeks.
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The DNA results come back and it's confirmed that the torso found in the little Calumet
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River was that of Alexandra and Naya.
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Police tell her family.
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According to the police, Sandra quote, she just fell apart, went down to her knees and
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crawled on the floor, crying and screaming, just lost it.
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End quote.
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When police announced to the local media that they have a DNA match, they also confirm that
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they have a suspect in custody related to Alexandra's case.
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In the next few days on September 10th, police arrest Rudolpho Heredia.
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Ultimately, he is charged with stalking and he does not have any charges related to Alexandra's
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murder.
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During police interrogation, it's reported that he did admit to police that he had been
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recently following Sandra and Alexandra, watching them both in their Hammond home.
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He also admitted to getting an unauthorized key made for the home.
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But a few weeks later, in October of 2004, Heredia will plead not guilty to the federal
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stalking charges.
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It's also revealed around this time that the night that Alexandra disappeared, Heredia
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had called the Naya house five different times and also had tried to call Sandra on her cell
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phone a number of different times.
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On Christmas 2004, it's been over four months since Alex's murder.
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Her mother Sandra writes a small letter to her in the newspaper.
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It reads, quote, it's going to be our first Christmas without you.
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Christmas will never be the same without you.
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We didn't get to say goodbye.
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We wish you were here.
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I still search for you and wish you would come home.
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I am so sorry.
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It should have been me.
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I don't know how to let you go.
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I love you.
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End quote.
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There were a few delays in the trial, but it finally begins in January of 2006.
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The first witness in the trial is Sandra.
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She's later quoted as saying, I was scared.
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I didn't want to make him angry.
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End quote.
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She tells the jury that she found Heredia standing on the roof of the car to look into
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their windows and Alexandra was scared after seeing him on the roof.
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Even with all of these allegations, Rodolfio Heredia is acquitted of the stalking charges.
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He's found not guilty.
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The jury was not told about the murder of Alexandra.
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Sandra tells the local paper, quote, they made me lie.
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They said, you have to say you have three daughters, like she's not dead.
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I wasn't allowed to tell him that he was a suspect in my daughter's death, the only
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suspect.
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I know why I was there and why I wanted him kept in jail.
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Now he's out and walking around free and my daughter's not.
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I'm getting an order of protection right now.
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I don't want him coming near me.
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End quote.
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When the not guilty verdict is read, Sandra curses at the jury.
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On what should have been Alexandra's 14th birthday, February 10th, 2006, her mother
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writes another letter to her in the paper, quote, we met 14 years ago this day.
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I tried to make this day special for you every year because you are so special to me.
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And today there's a cake waiting here for you and you're not here to blow out your
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candles.
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But I will wish every day you were here.
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We love you and miss you on your birthday.
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End quote.
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Sandra and her twin daughters moved to Texas to be closer to family in the months that
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follow after Alex's murder.
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As the months continue to pass, the case starts to fall out of the media.
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The police who worked the case are haunted by it, but none more than her family.
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Her mother still hopes that they can recover the rest of Alex's body to put her to rest.
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Her mother says, quote, I feel that my daughter doesn't rest in peace.
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Her hands are somewhere else.
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Her head is somewhere else.
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End quote.
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In March of 2009, so it's been about three and a half years since Alex's murder, Chicago
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police are still considering everyone in this case as a suspect.
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However, police feel confident that they just need that one tip from the public to close
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the case.
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Police talk about the case as if they're on the verge of solving it.
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But in February of 2010, on what should have been Alex's 18th birthday, her family writes
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another message to her in the paper.
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Simply quote, we love and miss you.
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End quote.
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In September of 2016, 11 years since the murder of Alexandra, the FBI announced that they
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are reviving the cold case.
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They're taking over the case as part of the newly created FBI Chicago Homicide Initiative
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Task Force.
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At this point, investigators are no longer saying that Alex left her home on Pine Avenue
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in Hammond, Indiana.
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They now are rephrasing it as she disappeared between 430 and 645 AM.
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However, they do say that they have witnesses that saw Alex leaving early that morning.
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The FBI believe that Alexandra was targeted, that this was not a random act.
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Investigators plan to submit evidence for scientific testing.
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The FBI also reveal a few new details in the case.
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When Alex went missing, she was wearing a round gold religious medallion.
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The chain was not with her body when it was discovered.
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Investigators think it could be possible that the killer had been holding onto it all these
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years.
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Investigators don't reveal if Heredia is still a suspect in the case, citing that it's
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an ongoing investigation.
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They do say quote, we're asking for the public's assistance in bringing the individual responsible
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for this crime to justice, giving Alex and her family peace of mind and closure.
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End quote.
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However, during the press conference, the FBI say that this is quote, one of the most
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heinous murders we have ever seen involving a child.
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End quote.
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In 2021, 16 years since Alex's murder, a Hammond investigator who originally was assigned
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to the case laments about how little forensic evidence they still have on it.
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He says quote, all that we ever had was her torso.
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We never found what he cut her up with.
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I'm sure it was in the bottom of the river too.
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End quote.
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In 2023, the FBI announced that they're doubling their reward for information to $20,000.
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The FBI is confident that someone out there knows something.
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Quote, when someone commits a crime, it's very hard to keep it quiet, and they generally
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will tell at least one person.
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That person is out there somewhere.
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They already know they have what we need, and we want them to tell us.
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End quote.
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Alex's mother Sandra still has hope that she'll get the answers that she's looking for.
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She says quote, I want to know what she said.
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I want to know what happened.
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That's the only way I will ever maybe have closure.
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It's not fair.
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She's gone and someone is walking around free.
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End quote.
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But that is all we know about the murder of Alexandra Alex Anaya.
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So if you know anything about the murder of Alex Anaya in August of 2005, please call
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the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI, or you can submit tips online at tips.fbi.gov.
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The sources for the timeline today come from the Chicago Tribune, The Times, SouthTown
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Star, The Call Leader, The Sun, Omaha World Herald, the Taylorville Daily Breeze Courier,
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WGN, Daily Beast, and ABC News.
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So that is the case of Alex Anaya.
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I always appreciate the content warning at the top, but you know, cases like these never
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become easier to listen to, but I think that that's all the more reason to continue to
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cover them, especially ones like this that are particularly heinous.
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But just to start, that she was an animal lover.
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I think that those are the most incredible people in the world, people who care for,
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you know, animals and children and make it their life's work is always...
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They're the good people in the world, so it's extra heartbreaking that she was extinguished
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before she got the chance to flourish in that area.
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And hearing about her younger sister, or her younger sisters, and just her lot in life
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and being an older sister, something I wrote down when I was listening to you tell her
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story was, there's nothing like an older sister.
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Because someone who has an older, amazing sister, the way you spoke about them just
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really resonated with me.
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Yeah, it seems like the oldest daughter in families really holds kind of like a sacred
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place.
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And I think that's kind of being recognized more in culture of the eldest daughter.
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I see a lot of memes about it, but it really seems like Alex was the big sister and filled
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that role to a T.
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And while this was very unfortunate that her mom had to do this, had to kick the boyfriend
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out when she learned of his disgusting behavior, I also wrote down, I love when moms do mom's
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mom things, like putting their foot down.
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But I love that she just kicked him out.
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I think it speaks volumes about the type of person that she is.
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I'm always really happy to see moms.
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And I feel like if I'm not a mother, I don't have children, but any mom listening, I'm
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sure is like, of course, of course you kick that person out.
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Of course, of course, of course.
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There's no questions about it.
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But in this world, sometimes we see that not happening.
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So to me, it is just always a relief when it's like moms do the of course thing that
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happens for a child who is in danger.
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So I will just say no charges were ever brought against Heredia in regards to the abuse that
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was alleged by Alex.
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Whether he is guilty or not of that or the this crime itself of her murder.
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Ultimately, the dude was acting wild, well up into well up until her death, you know,
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innocent until proven guilty, like we've said before on this podcast, but like, that is
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not how you behave after, you know, some very serious allegations have been said against
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you.
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Like you don't you don't stand on the roof of another building to peer into someone's
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home.
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Like what I wrote down was not normal behavior.
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It is not normal behavior to go and make a second copy of keys that you are not supposed
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to have access to.
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All of that behavior is very odd.
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You know, it's unfortunate that if he isn't guilty that his name was dragged into this,
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but also you shouldn't have been behaving that way.
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He knows the difference between right and wrong.
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And all of those decisions with the stocking was wrong, even if he wasn't found guilty
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of them.
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That doesn't mean he didn't do something wrong.
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So that's my opinion on him.
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I do have to say that yet again, we are in another case with a child where police from
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jump have made the decision to decide have made the decision that the child is a runaway.
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It slows things down.
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And there was a window of time that maybe she could have been found if there was more
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hustle put on her being someone who was abducted or missing versus a child who ran away.
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Yeah, the runaway allegation was very strange to me.
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But I think police arrived at that decision because witnesses saw Alex leaving.
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That's where I thought it would have come from is that people saw her leaving, not necessarily
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under duress.
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But just considering everything that the family was going through with this separation and
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trying to get this man out of their lives, it would feel odd to me that the police wouldn't
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kind of immediately look into that.
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Since according to Alex's mom, he had threatened her and Alex.
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So it's like, if this child comes up missing and an adult has threatened a child's life,
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which is a coward thing to do, then I would look into that personally as an investigator.
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And maybe they did.
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And we just don't know about it.
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But it's really sad because it seems like the window of time was small for Alex to get
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home safely.
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And to also have the information that hours prior to that, you know, I'm sure she said
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I was just with her, you know, hours before this we ate together.
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So why would she quote run away as if to like, you know, get back in time before your mom
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gets home?
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Yeah, I don't know.
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It was all just a stretch for me.
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And again, just really sad to see that that was that was the jump.
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But my my next question was what what was your opinion on on the red car?
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Yeah, all things considered.
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I think it's kind of an interesting detail.
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It does like, leave the table open for me as like somebody like looking at this, like,
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of course, like I have suspicions about the mother's ex boyfriend.
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But I would also want to look into this tip and see if I could run that down and rule
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it out one way or the other, because that's a different description than the ex boyfriend.
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So that's that's like an interesting point to me.
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And I think it's kind of an important point, because sometimes it is easy to get tunnel
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vision in these things.
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And like, yes, Occam's razor, what is the most likely is usually the answer.
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But like, when you're dealing with matters such as this, such as this, it has to be like
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beyond a reasonable doubt.
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So it's like you have to kind of look into that lead as well.
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So that's something that I would want to know if they ever found out about.
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But we never hear about it again.
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Yeah, it's always sad when it's only brought up one time, but it's something that someone
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remembered.
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So that's why I think it sticks out to me and why my mind was hanging on to it.
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Immediately, what I filled in, in my head was that the ex boyfriend and I guess, technically,
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he is the father of the twins, right, that he basically sent someone else over there
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that all of the girls maybe knew maybe, maybe another like a friend of his.
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I filled it in in my head in that it wasn't just one person that got her out of the house
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to leave willingly if that's what happened.
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So one thing I will say is, I really try to pick up clues in like what investigators do
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say.
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Sometimes there are breadcrumbs that are dropped in what they say to the public and it's usually
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very crafted very specifically.
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So one thing I will say is that the FBI, again and again, refer to it as a singular person
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involved in this case.
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So that makes me think that wherever they think this case is headed, that it is just
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one person that is involved in Alex's crime.
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And if I remember correctly, the mom had no idea who that person could be.
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Like she didn't recognize like a white man with a red car.
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Like that didn't ring any bells for her.
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So I'm always a little reluctant to pivot to details and cases like this, but I think
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I'm mentioning it because I'd like to just discuss the personal versus not personal arguments
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surrounding her being dismembered.
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I think sometimes in certain cases, it can look very personal to do that to someone in
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order to discard and get rid of and hide what you have done.
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But also, you've seen it as not personal in any way.
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And I guess I just wanted to kind of get your take on that.
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And this is not to discuss the morbidity of it, but more just why that?
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Whenever I see a detail like that, they're trying to make it more difficult to ID the
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victim by removing the head.
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You don't have dental records by removing the limbs.
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You don't have any kind of fingerprint.
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I think that that's what was happening here, that it was an attempt to make it more difficult
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to ID the body.
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And to some degree, that works.
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It takes three weeks for them to positively ID her.
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I was a little shocked to hear that there was a whole hearing about him and he was found
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not guilty.
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My insides just screamed out for her.
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And I'm glad that she yelled at the jury at the courtroom.
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It was, I think, a devastating blow to someone who had already lost everything.
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Yeah.
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I tried to track down the court transcripts to kind of try to figure out more of what
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happened here.
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How did the jury get to not guilty?
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Because all I know about it is what was reported in the newspapers, which was the story of
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him standing on the roof of the car, him on the roof making the keys, and him admitting
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to police that he had been watching the family.
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So based off all of that, maybe there was some weird loophole where it doesn't quite
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meet this definition of whatever the charge was.
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Maybe it was something like that.
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But yeah, I'm not sure where the reasonable doubt came in or what arguments were made
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to get to the not guilty verdict.
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But that is the verdict that was reached, was not guilty.
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Not guilty is not innocence.
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It is just not guilty.
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Just again, to just drive it home, like he was not charged in any way with Alex's death.
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So if police were ever to want to bring charges against him for that, they would be able to.
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There wouldn't be a double jeopardy there.
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But to date, he has never been charged with anything in regards to Alex's death.
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All in all, what I walked away with was just a lot of sorrow and heartbreak for her mother.
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The last thing that I wrote, you know, before you wrapped up the timeline was that this
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is a very unfair truth to be forced to live with.
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For me, I hope that in this case, we are able to get to a point where we do get answers
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for Alex and her family because her mother is still very much wanting answers in what
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happened to her daughter.
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And the case is still with the FBI.
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And I am hopeful that they are able to access, you know, the latest technology as it becomes
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available and it becomes reliable to try to test whatever evidence they do have to try
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to get an answer and hold somebody responsible for what they did to Alex.
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It's never going to bring her back, but somebody should be held accountable for what they did
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to her.
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The FBI did mention that there's like a religious gold medallion that Alex wore quite a bit.
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There's pictures with her with it on.
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So we'll have pictures of that on our Instagram.
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But police are really kind of holding on to this necklace that it's likely that her killer
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could have held on to it all these years.
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So it's one of those things like if you think you've seen it in a drawer, in a cabinet,
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maybe somebody wears it, like just call it in, give that tip in so that way Alex can
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have an answer and like her family can have an answer because this is heinous.
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It's just heinous.
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And it's nobody who does this to a child should be out walking around without rehabilitation
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and time served for their crime.
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Again, if you know anything about the murder of Alexandra Anaya in August of 2005, please
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call the FBI.
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At 1-800-CALL-FBI.
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That's 1-800-225-5324.
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And we will have pictures of Alex on our Instagram as well as the gold medallion.
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So that way that picture is out there as well.
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So you can take a look at it.
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If it jogs memory, please call the FBI.
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That will all be on our Instagram at Cold and Missing.
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