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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back.
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Welcome back everyone.
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This is Ali.
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And I'm Eli.
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And we are on episode 52 of Cold and Missing.
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52, alrighty.
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52 episodes.
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That's an episode a week for a year.
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Amazing.
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Amazing.
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And just as a reminder, we mentioned it last episode, but we will be updating our cover
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art and our branding on our Instagram and across our social medias and our website.
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So just remember, be on the lookout for a new look next week.
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A new look.
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Alright, so episode 52.
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52, should we just get into it?
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Let's do it.
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So just as a quick content warning, this case does involve children.
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Today we are going to be talking about Charles and Jennifer Chia.
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And this takes place in October of 1989 in Reno, Nevada.
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But first, a little bit about Charles and Jennifer.
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Charles and Jennifer Chia are brother and sister and according to teachers and classmates,
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they were also best friends.
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Charles is 8 years old in 1989.
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And his younger sister Jennifer is 6.
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Halloween was fast approaching and they already had their matching costumes picked out.
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Batman and Batgirl.
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They both were learning to play the violin and spent a lot of time together.
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Charles also studied taekwondo and loved to be outside.
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Jennifer took piano lessons and loved to draw.
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She also loved to dance and flourished in her tap and ballet classes.
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And now a timeline of events.
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So just to give you an idea of where we are timing wise, on October 17, 1989, right as
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they were beginning to broadcast the 1989 World Series, a 6.9 earthquake hit Santa Cruz,
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California.
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The next day, Wednesday, October 18, it was a typical day for Charles and Jennifer.
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They lived with their mother in an apartment on Redfield Parkway in southern Reno, Nevada.
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Their parents were divorced and their father lived in California.
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At this particular time in 1989, their grandmother was watching them as their mother was visiting
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family in Taiwan for two weeks, but she would be returning the following day.
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As the school day ended at Anderson Elementary School, around 3 p.m., Charles and Jennifer
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boarded the bus and headed home.
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Charles is tall for his age, standing at 4'6".
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He had short, straight, black hair and was wearing a long-sleeved white shirt, blue pants,
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and Adidas tennis shoes.
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He had his dark blue and red striped backpack with him.
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Jennifer is wearing a white dress with black flowers and green shoes.
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She carries a blue tote bag and a Miss Piggy lunchbox.
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At around 3.30, they reached their bus stop and exited, headed toward their apartment
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building.
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There was only 100 feet between the bus stop and the door to the apartment complex.
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Charles and Jennifer will never arrive home.
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At first, their grandmother assumes that their father had stopped by and had them, or perhaps
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they had gone to the restaurant that their mother ran, the Imperial Palace.
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However, by 8 o'clock, when the children hadn't returned, their grandmother called
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police and reported them missing.
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Initially, as police respond, they believe that they will be able to recover the children
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quickly.
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They reach out to the father, who says he doesn't know where the kids are.
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Bloodhounds and about 30 officers swarm the apartment complex and the surrounding fields,
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looking for Charles and Jennifer, but there are no signs of them.
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The bloodhounds are unable to pick up a scent trail.
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By the next day, October 19, Charles and Jennifer's parents both arrive in Reno.
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Their father, Gordon Chia, arrived from West Covina, California, and their mother, Ann
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Chang, arrived back in the States from Taiwan.
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It's only when she arrives that she learns that her children are missing and she's
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instantly a wreck.
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Police begin to question the father to rule out a parental abduction.
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Sergeant Keith Schott with the Reno Police says, quote, we're working with the parents
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to see who would do this to them.
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We have no reason to believe they ran away.
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Two possibilities are an out and out abduction or a family abduction, end quote.
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Police begin going door to door at the apartment complex and also talk to the children that
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were still on the bus when Charles and Jennifer got off.
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Two of the children on the bus say they saw the Chia siblings enter the apartment complex.
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By the end of the day, police don't have any solid leads to run down.
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Early on Friday, October 20, the Chia children have been missing for three days now.
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The Reno Police asked the FBI to get involved with the case.
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While the FBI interviews the family, police hand out flyers all over Reno with Charles
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and Jennifer's information.
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Secret Witness, a program in Nevada where people can remain anonymous and report tips
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to the police, announced a reward for any information leading to the safe return of
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the children.
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Still, as the hours dragged on, police have no leads to follow.
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Sergeant Keith Schott says, quote, there have been no demands and no ransom calls.
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There are no family problems we're aware of, end quote.
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Police and the FBI continue to investigate through the weekend.
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On Sunday, October 22, a man calls the Imperial Palace, the restaurant the children's mother
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owns and operates.
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He demands $100,000 for the safe return of the children.
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One is not at the restaurant when the call comes in, but she'll start to go in every
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day in case the person calls again.
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On Monday, October 23, five days the children have been missing, police head back to the
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apartment complex and search the surrounding areas for anything that may have been missed
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the first time.
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It seems like they are successful in gathering more information.
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Since the next day, Tuesday, October 24, police announced that they're looking for a man
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who was seen by witnesses standing near a pickup truck by the bus stop around the time
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the kids would have gotten home from school.
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Police describe him as a 35-year-old Asian male, about 5'6", wearing a white polo
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short sleeve shirt and had distinctive round yellow tinted glasses.
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Police described the glasses as John Lennon style.
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Witnesses say they saw him leaning against an older white American-made pickup truck.
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Police are not calling him a suspect or even a person of interest.
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They just want to talk to him to see if he saw anything that afternoon.
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Anne is still at the Imperial Palace when the phone rings.
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It's the same man.
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And once again, he's demanding $100,000 and he'll return the children safely.
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Police were quickly trying to track down where the phone call comes from, and they determine
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that a man named James Grooms was making the phone calls.
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Police show up to his home expecting to rescue Charles and Jennifer Chia, but they're not
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there.
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There are no signs that the children have ever been in his home.
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Police arrest him for trying to extort Anne Chang.
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He'll eventually plead guilty to the crime and be sentenced to 10 years in prison.
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With this dead end, police have no idea where they could be and are starting to believe
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that Charles and Jennifer were abducted by a stranger.
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On Thursday, October 26th, the Chia siblings have been missing for over a week now, and
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their classmates are upset by the absence of them.
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The school holds an open house to pass out missing flyers and buttons with Charles and
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Jennifer's school picture on them to help raise awareness.
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The students at Anderson Elementary will write over 500 letters to newspapers across the
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country to spread the word about their missing classmates.
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Police continue to work behind the scenes as the weeks drag on, but there will still
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be no signs of Charles or Jennifer.
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On December 9th, police, after numerous interviews and at least two polygraphs of the children's
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father, he is eliminated as a suspect along with the rest of his family.
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Police do not believe this was a known abduction, but a stranger abduction.
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Detective Patrick Murray says, quote, our problem is that we have no idea why.
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The kids basically vanished.
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The community's involvement has been good.
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It helped us and we're trying to keep the public's interest up, end quote.
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Ann Chang is still a wreck over her missing children.
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In newspapers, she begs for her two kids to be sent back to her.
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She says, quote, I just have two kids.
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Two kids are all my life, end quote.
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On Wednesday, July 25th, 1990, this is just over nine months that Charles and Jennifer
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have been missing.
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Some employees of Caltran turned off I-70 near Blairston, California onto a gravel and
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dirt highway to eat lunch.
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This is around 50 miles from Reno, Nevada.
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One of the guys looked down an embankment and saw a human skull sticking up out of the
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dirt.
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They flagged down a California highway patrol car that was passing by to report it.
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Police descend on the location and find a shallow grave with two small bodies inside.
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There are pieces of clothing and bone found scattered around the grave due to animals
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in the area.
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A responding officer noticed that the clothing they were finding matched the description
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of the Chia siblings missing out of Reno.
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Police in California contact Reno along with other police agencies who are missing children.
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Reno police sent in dental records of the Chia kids for comparison.
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The next day, July 26th, the initial autopsy is conducted and it's confirmed via the
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dental records that it's Charles and Jennifer Chia.
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According to police, there were no obvious signs of injury, but further testing was going
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to be done.
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Reno police call Ann Chang down to the station in the evening hours to break the news to
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her.
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The news is so upsetting that she goes into shock and police have to call an ambulance
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for her.
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Police continue to investigate the site where the bodies were found and they do say that
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they're able to find additional evidence, but they don't elaborate on what that is.
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Police are unable to determine how long the children were in the grave, but since the
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clothing matched what they were last seen wearing, police do believe that they were
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killed shortly after their abduction.
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It takes about three days for their autopsy to be complete and the police do not give
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any details from the report.
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However, they will mention years later that they were obviously the victims of homicide.
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Two business owners in Reno post a $50,000 reward for information leading to the conviction
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of whoever murdered the Chia children.
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Tips are called into the hotline that was specifically set up for this case and police
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are confident that they'll be able to solve it.
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They ask that anyone who was driving through Plumas County, California in October of 1989
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to call in with anything that they saw.
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Police are hopeful that since there was the earthquake the day before the children were
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abducted that people would be more likely to remember the following days surrounding
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that event.
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On August 15th, almost exactly 10 months since the last time Charles and Jennifer were seen
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alive, they both are laid to rest at the Mountain View Cemetery.
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The brother and sister are buried together and they have Donald Duck and Cinderella engraved
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on their tombstones along with their names.
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Despite confidence from the police that they were going to solve this case, in November
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it's announced that the FBI will take over the investigation.
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I assume there were things happening behind the scenes, but the next big breakthrough
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in the case comes in August of 1993.
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This is over three years since Charles and Jennifer's bodies had been found, but police,
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along with forensic scientists and forensic anthropologists, return to the shallow grave
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to try to find any additional evidence.
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They end up finding a femur as well as other small bones.
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Police don't go into detail, but additional evidence is also found.
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In October of 1995, it's been six years since the abduction, police give a huge update
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to the public.
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The first major update is that they have a suspect, James Grooms.
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Grooms was the man who was trying to extort the family for $100,000.
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Police say they found evidence in Grooms' home that he knew the Chia kids beforehand
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and knew their mother owned the Imperial Palace.
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He had also told friends that he had abducted the children along with an accomplice and
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he could produce no alibi for the day the children were abducted.
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Police are also wanting to talk to a man with long blonde hair that had donated money to
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the children's trust fund after their funeral.
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He had a huge emotional outburst in the bank and the teller became nervous and turned on
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the surveillance footage.
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So police are trying to locate him and talk to him.
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Police also received a tip from a married couple that said they saw a brown van with
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its back doors open near the gravesite a few weeks after the abduction in 1989.
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The brown van is said to have a Miller Lite gear shift.
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Police remind the public that they are still looking for the man who was leaning on the
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pickup truck near the bus stop the day the Chia children were abducted.
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Anne publishes an open letter in the newspaper pleading for information.
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She says quote, I need the community's help.
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I just need to know the answer.
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I need to know the reason they took away my two kids.
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End quote.
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She also offers $20,000 of her own money for information.
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In 1995 the case was being worked by Detective Ron Dreher and he will continue to work the
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case even after he retires from the police force.
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He says quote, a killer is on the loose in our community.
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To those with specific information on the Chia murders and who are in the know, please
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come forward with any and all information.
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End quote.
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Despite this big update from police, the next anniversary rolls around in October of 1996
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and police are still at the same spot asking the public for the same information.
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They have been unable to tie James Grooms to the murder or abduction of the Chia children.
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He claims he had nothing to do with the murders.
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In May of 1998, James Grooms is released from prison having served nine out of his 10 year
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sentence.
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At the 10 year anniversary of the children's abduction, so October 1999, police asked the
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media to run lots of stories on Charles and Jennifer in hopes of stirring up some new
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leads and this year it works.
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Police say they had a major lead come in.
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The caller said they had seen a 1966 white Volkswagen hatchback near where the children
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were buried.
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James Grooms owned the exact same type of vehicle in 1989.
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Police are able to track down the prior owner of the vehicle and get the VIN number and
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a picture of the car.
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Police search registered vehicles in the United States, but it's not registered anywhere.
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The last registered owner was James Grooms.
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Police ask for the public's help in finding the car.
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Deputy Chief Jim Watson says quote, even if it's crushed, we can get that vehicle back.
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There may be some trace evidence in it.
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End quote.
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Police consider this the biggest lead in the case that they've had in years.
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Police tracked down James Grooms, who at this time lived in California, to talk to him about
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the vehicle.
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After police contact him though, he goes on the run and police are not able to find him
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to question him again.
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Deputy Chief Watson said this about Grooms quote, he has always been a subject of the
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investigation all these years.
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We've spent time investigating him, trying to connect him to the crime, but have never
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developed enough information to make an arrest.
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End quote.
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Ann is hopeful, but realistic with the break in the case.
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She says quote, I'm still so happy that people come out to talk to detectives and give them
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information.
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This is a really good sign.
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I just don't know how they will find the car.
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End quote.
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Police search for the Volkswagen for years, but are never able to locate it.
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Every October, the police ask the local media to cover the story to keep the public interest
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in the case and to hopefully get more leads.
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As technology advances and DNA becomes more commonplace, police announce in 2002 that
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they do not have any DNA in this case.
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In October of 2005, so this is 16 years since the murder of Charles and Jennifer, police
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say they still are looking for the same information and beg the public to come forward if they
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know anything about the crime.
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The next month, in November, James Grooms is arrested on unrelated charges and he gives
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a jailhouse interview.
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He says quote, I will always be one of the prime suspects in this case until the killer
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is found.
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I wish this could be solved.
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I made the phone calls, but I had nothing to do with the killing of those kids.
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End quote.
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Grooms says he saw the abduction on TV in 1989 and was using a lot of drugs at that
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time and made the phone call trying to get money to support his habit.
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He had also eaten at the Imperial Palace before and had the menus at his home.
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He says he called the restaurant three times, two times asking for the money and the third
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time he told Ann that he didn't know anything about the children's whereabouts and apologized.
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In regards to the Volkswagen, Grooms says that weeks before the abduction, he dropped
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the car off at an auto repair shop and never returned to pick the car up.
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He says at the time of the abduction, his only mode of transportation was a bicycle.
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Police say that when they arrested Grooms in 1989 on the extortion charges, that they
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did not know he owned a Volkswagen at that time, which I take to mean that he did not
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have it in his possession the days following the murder.
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The next year, October 2006, 17 years since the murder of Charles and Jennifer, police
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asked for the public's help in finding a new person.
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They're looking for the man that lived with James Grooms in 1989.
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He goes by the nickname Ma, and he also worked at the Imperial Palace.
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Ann still thinks about her children every day.
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By this time, she has remarried and is raising a young daughter with her new husband, but
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the pain remains for Charles and Jennifer.
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She says quote, I still wonder why this happened.
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It's still a big question in my mind and my heart.
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Someone needs to stand up and show the police department who did this because we don't
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want anyone else killed.
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End quote.
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As of 2022, so that's 33 years since the abduction and murder of Charles and Jennifer
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Chia, the Reno police have two retired detectives working solely on this case, one of them being
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Ron Dreher.
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In 2022, police mention that a few days before Charles and Jennifer were abducted, a man
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with long blonde hair attempted to kidnap two other children in Beckwourth, California,
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which is about 45 minutes from Reno.
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Police are still looking for any information that could lead to the arrest and conviction
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of the person or persons who abducted and murdered Charles and Jennifer Chia.
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So with that, if you know anything, please call the Reno Police Department at 775-334-2677.
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To remain anonymous, you can call Secret Witness at 775-322-4900 or you can call Ron Dreher
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directly at 775-830-8877.
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The sources for the timeline today come from Reno Gazette Journal and they covered this
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case extensively.
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I read the most articles from them, the Sacramento Bee, Merced Sunstar, Feather River Bulletin,
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Elko Daily Free Press, and Kolo 8 News.
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So that is the case of Charles and Jennifer Chia.
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And the thing that I just kept saying to myself over and over again was, it was 100 feet.
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100 feet.
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A hundred feet.
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A hundred feet.
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Wow.
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Such a small moment.
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It's such a small space for two children to go missing.
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Yeah.
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They didn't do anything out of the ordinary.
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That's the thing.
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No, they didn't.
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And that's what's about it because you know some very destructive evil forces on the outside
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are at play then.
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If we can, I'd like to recap the, I guess it's like two or three, in my mind right now,
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I received it like different men involved slash, because there is the John Lennon guy
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and then there's James Grooms and then there's Ma.
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Yeah.
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So James Grooms, the police get a lot of interest in him because he kind of puts himself into
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the case by calling the mother and trying to extort $100,000 out of her while her children
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are missing.
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Yeah.
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I mean he says he's been there, he's eaten in there.
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And his explanation for where his car is, the Volkswagen, is not great.
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No.
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He's like, I have a bike.
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Yeah.
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He said his only mode of transportation was the bike and that he dropped his car off and
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just never picked it up.
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Yeah, that whole part with the cops, them being like, oh, we didn't know he had a Volkswagen.
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I'm sorry.
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I'm not like, I just don't understand.
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How did you not know?
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Yeah.
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They said that they didn't know at the time of his arrest in 1989 that he had this car
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registered to him, which again, I just take to mean that it wasn't with him when he was
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arrested or at his home.
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So it seems like he had gotten rid of the car by then.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why police didn't maybe search at that time for cars registered to his name.
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I don't know if that was done, why it wasn't done.
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Yeah, I guess that's more of what I'm not asking a question on.
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I'm more just like commenting on the fact that like, I mean, still 1989, it seems like
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a very basic thing that even if it wasn't there, simply, I think, asking questions of
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people who lived around him, even in basic interviews, like, have you ever seen this
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car?
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You would have gotten multiple yeses.
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So I guess I just, you can't answer the question like, hey, what the hell happened in that
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area?
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Right.
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Why is that?
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It was instinctual to me to ask the question, so I'm assuming with police work, it's like,
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yeah.
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So I don't understand why there's just like a blank space there.
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One of the questions that I had, or just if I had the chance to ask police whatever I
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wanted, I am curious, the man with long blonde hair, they mentioned two men with long blonde
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hair, there's the man in the bank who has this big emotional outburst after making a
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donation so big that the teller gets nervous and she turns on like their surveillance system
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to record the guy.
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And then the other person with or the other man with long blonde hair, police mentioned
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tried to abduct two children a few days before Charles and Jennifer were abducted.
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So I want to know if police think that these two men are connected, if do they meet any
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similar?
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Is it two men?
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That's the thing.
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I'm like, is it actually two men?
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Or is it the same guy?
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Yeah.
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I mean, the likelihood of it being the same man to me is very, very, very high.
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Right.
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And that detail of that man with long blonde hair trying to abduct two children, the fact
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that it's two children is to me significant because that's a pretty bold move to try to
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take two children at the same time.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's a bold move to like children are, you can't count on how they're going
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to react.
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No.
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So like, yeah, I think trying to commit that kind of crime is, you're like taking a very
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big risk.
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Yeah.
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I'm just curious about that man.
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And I almost wonder if like, that should be a focus of police's time and energy is figuring
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out who this man with long blonde hair is or was.
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But there are still several outstanding, not suspects, but just like people the police
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want to talk to.
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There's the man that was seen by the bus stop with the John Lennon glasses.
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Yeah.
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Police have never found him that I'm aware of.
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The roommate Ma, who I don't believe has been found.
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James Groom, as soon as he's released from prison again, he goes on the run.
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So police kind of lose him and find him again.
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He kind of drops in and out of police's radar.
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And police still want to talk to the married couple that saw the brown van with the Miller
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light.
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There's two cars kind of seen near the gravesite, this brown van and the Volkswagen.
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Yeah, the one after the burial, right?
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Right.
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Seen around the time.
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Yeah.
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Just a lot of weird characters.
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But blurred.
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It's like it's all smudged.
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All the details of that are like, it was just freshly drawn with ink and then someone took
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their hand and smudged it all.
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All of the details surrounding it.
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It's so odd to me.
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Just like overall, it's odd because it's a case that like, yes, there were moments of
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silence and dust collecting, but that's not because no one was doing anything.
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It was just there was no new leads.
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This was one of the cases where I was like, they were on it right away.
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The parents both came back.
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Everything fell in line.
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It was like the little details that fell apart this time because they keep up with trying
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to figure out what happened to these poor kids.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Detective Ron Dreher, who's worked the case and is still working it in his retirement.
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In his retirement, yeah.
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He says this has never been a cold case because they've always been working it.
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And a cold case is technically when leads have stopped and investigators stop working
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it.
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But this has never been cold in the 30 plus years since it's happened.
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And it's one of the biggest cases in Reno, I'm sure any listeners around that area are
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probably familiar, but this is one that I was not familiar with.
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And I couldn't find a lot of media outside of Reno, Nevada around it.
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Like not a lot of podcasts, no investigation discovery episodes, just really nothing outside
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of Reno, Nevada, but the case was very well covered in Reno.
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Yeah.
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But hopefully we can get those last pieces of information or people will come forward
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that either know these people mentioned in the story or have more information and this
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case will get solved.
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If you know anything, please call Reno police at 775-334-2677.
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