April 17, 2025
Cold and Missing: Christina Pipkin
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In May of 1991, 9-year-old Christina Pipkin vanished while going door to door selling costume jewelry for a school fundraiser in the tiny town of Hickory Ridge, Arkansas. Described as bright, creative, and full of life, Christina was last seen around 6:30 PM—by nightfall, her family was sounding the alarm. Within hours, half the town had mobilized to search. Days later, her body was found submerged in a water ditch, fully clothed but missing her shoes and school materials. With no clear cause of death beyond drowning, police suspected foul play. Despite a later arrest based on a suspicious comment and a single strand of hair found in a suspect’s car, the case unraveled. Nearly nine years after her murder, charges were dropped, and to this day, no one has been held accountable for Christina’s death. Her case remains cold—but never forgotten.
*** If you know anything about the murder of Christina Pipkin in May of 1991 please call the Arkansas State police at 501-618-8420 ***
Sources:
The Commercial Appeal, Paragould Daily Press, Batesville Guard, Daily American Republic, The Sun, Baxter Bulletin, The Daily World, and KATV
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are on episode 127 this week. Yep. And we are
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on a cold case. Let's get into it. So just as
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a quick content warning at the top, this case
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does involve a young person, and there are some
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brief mentions of sexual assault and domestic
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violence. Today, we are talking about the cold
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case of Christina Pipkin, and this takes place
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in May of 1991 in Hickory Ridge, Arkansas. But
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first, a little bit about Christina. Christina
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is nine years old in 1991. She is a fourth grader
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at Hickory Ridge Elementary School, where she
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is a talkative young girl and a good student.
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She liked to color, read, and write poetry and
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gospel songs. Her mother, Frida, says, quote,
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She's got a lot of interests, and she's just
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as smart as she can be. She wrote a song called
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I Love You, and when she started singing it,
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it sounded like about a person. In the end, it
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was about the Lord. End quote. Christina and
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her family had just moved to the little town
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of Hickory Ridge a few months before the timeline
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starts. The town is small. It has a population
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of less than 500 people. The mayor of Hickory
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Ridge is also the fire chief, the plumbing inspector,
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and the water operator for the town, just to
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kind of paint a picture for you. Christina is
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tall for her age. She stands at 4 '9 and weighs
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about 80 pounds. She has short brown hair and
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brown eyes. And now a timeline of events. On
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Saturday, May 4th, 1991. So it's unclear exactly
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what Christina was getting up to on this Saturday.
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But what we do know is that between 4 .30 and
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5 p .m., she asks her parents if she can go out
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and go door -to -door to try to sell some stuff
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for her school's fundraiser. The students were
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tasked with selling costume jewelry in order
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to raise funds for the school. Christina gets
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permission but is told to be back before it gets
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dark. Christina is wearing shorts and a t -shirt
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that said Desert Storm on it, along with Hickory
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Ridge Elementary School. It had a logo of Arkansas,
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the American flag, and Kuwait on it. She's wearing
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white sandals and has red yarn bracelets on her
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ankle and wrist. She's also carrying a pencil
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and the order form with her as she walks around
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town. At the time of reporting in 1991, the last
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confirmed sighting of Christina is around 6 .30
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p .m. She was taking an order from a woman about
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two blocks away from her home, but she was near
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Arkansas 49 when she was last spotted, which
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was a busy road that had a lot of through traffic.
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However, in recent years, some more details have
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come out around the last time she was seen. Multiple
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children interviewed by police said that they
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had seen a stranger in town driving a light blue
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car and had been seen near the grocery store
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on the day that Christina went missing. Most
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kids reported the man driving the light blue
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car as white, having long, messy hair and high
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cheekbones. One of the child witnesses said that
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they saw the car slowly following Christina as
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she was walking near the grocery store. They
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said that Christina was shaking her head no at
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the car. A cashier at the grocery store told
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police that the day Christina went missing, a
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stranger came in with long dark hair and a mustache
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to buy cigarettes around 5 .45 p .m., about 45
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minutes before Christina was last seen at 6 .30.
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As it gets darker and darker outside, Christina's
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parents begin to worry when she doesn't come
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back. She had never stayed out late before. They
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start looking for her around 8 p .m. Her parents
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go door to door, asking if anyone had seen her.
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No one had seen her recently, though lots of
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folks do say that they had seen her walking around
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earlier. Finally, at around 8 .53 p .m., Christina's
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parents call police to report her missing. The
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town is so small that they don't have a police
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force themselves, but the county sheriff shows
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up and takes the search seriously. The town's
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emergency alarm is sounded, and by 9 .30, more
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than 250 volunteers had showed up to help search.
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That's over half the town. Nobody thinks this
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is a runaway situation. People search through
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the night for Christina, but they don't find
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any sign of her. The next day, Sunday, May 5th,
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another massive search is launched as the day
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breaks. People are searching on foot, horseback,
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ATV, helicopters, and airplanes looking for any
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sign of the little girl. With each passing hour,
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the search gets more and more desperate. Investigators
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say, quote, it's getting past the time when she
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may have stayed all night with a friend and didn't
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call her parents. It has the appearance of an
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abduction, end quote. By Monday, so Christina
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has been missing since Saturday night, the FBI
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joins the search for the missing girl, and searches
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continue throughout Monday and into the next
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day, Tuesday, May 7th. Christina has been missing
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for three days now when the search comes to an
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end. In the evening hours, just over the border
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into the next county, about four miles from where
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Christina was last seen, A man and his sons are
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walking down to a nearby bridge to check on the
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water levels. The bridge went over Cow Lake Ditch,
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a water ditch that runs for miles in between
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fields of crops. At this time in 1991, the water
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was about nine feet deep, but it did fluctuate.
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When the man and his sons get to the bridge,
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one of the sons notices something in the water.
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The man goes down and realizes what he's looking
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at. He brings his sons home as quickly as he
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can so he can call the police. When police arrive,
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they find the body of Christina in the water.
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Her body is fully clothed, but her white sandals
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are missing. Also missing is the pencil and order
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form that she had been carrying. Cross County
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Sheriff Ronnie Huey says, quote, we haven't a
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clue as to what happened. There's nothing that
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we can even build a theory on yet, end quote.
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There are no obvious signs of trauma to her body,
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according to police. No bruising, cuts, scrapes.
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Police say that they will need to wait for the
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autopsy before commenting on a cause of death.
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However, police immediately begin to treat the
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death as foul play. The next day, Wednesday,
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May 8th, Christina's autopsy is conducted. Her
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cause of death is labeled as drowning. and the
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autopsy confirms that she had not been sexually
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assaulted. Police do believe that she died where
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she entered the water, and she likely died on
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Saturday, the day that she went missing. Police
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still believe that foul play is involved. They
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point to her missing shoes, and they don't believe
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that she could have walked four miles without
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anyone else seeing her on the busy road. Police
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say, quote, We're going to keep scratching and
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digging, trying to get that one clue that will
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get us started. You just keep on keeping on.
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Someone is going to remember something or we're
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going to kick something over. End quote. Christina's
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parents support this. Christina couldn't swim.
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There would have been no reason for her to walk
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so far out of town to go swimming. And, when
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they did go swimming, she would only splash around
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on the shallow end because she didn't like going
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where she couldn't touch the bottom. Police spend
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all day searching the area where she was found
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for additional clues. Divers are sent into the
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water, but nothing further is recovered. Her
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shoes are never found, and neither is the pencil
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she was carrying or the order form. On Friday,
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May 10th, just shy of one week since she was
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last seen, Christina is laid to rest. Police
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still have zero leads in the case. They have
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talked to a few people, but no one has emerged
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as a real person of interest or a suspect. Both
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of Christina's parents will be questioned by
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both the police and the FBI, and both of them
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will be cleared of any suspicion. The case very
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quickly goes cold. Over the next few years, other
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children will go missing and either are never
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recovered or they're found murdered. This includes
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the murder of Michael Moore, Steve Branch, and
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Christopher Byers that resulted in the arrest
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of the West Memphis Three. Police don't think
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any of these cases are related, but it is happening
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a lot. In June of 1995, so it's been over four
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years since the death of Christina, and police
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are just as convinced today as they were the
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day they found her that foul play is involved.
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repeating that she did not get there by herself.
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Someone took her out where she was found. The
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case has been reviewed by other detectives over
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the years, retired detectives and freelance detectives,
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but nothing new has ever surfaced from this,
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and no new leads have come to police. Then, seemingly
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out of nowhere, in November of 1999, so it's
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been over eight years since the murder, and police
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make an arrest in the case. They say that they
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have new forensic information that results in
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the arrest of Robbie Tubbs for Christina's murder.
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Tubbs first came to police's attention when his
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late wife told police that when Christina was
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still missing, before her body was found, Tubbs
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was watching the news coverage and said that
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no one would find the girl because there are
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too many ditches for the girl to drown in. and
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days later, Christina was found in a ditch, drowned.
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She also told police that he had tied her up
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and beat her when she threatened to tell the
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police of what he had done. Police say that they
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found a hair in Tubbs' 1980 AMC Eagle sedan.
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The hair was found on the right front passenger
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side. Police collected the sample about seven
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months after the murder. Police are not able
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to arrest him in 1991 because they don't have
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testing to prove that the hair was Christina's.
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But with advances in DNA technology over the
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years, police say that they have been able to
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confirm that the hair found in his car belonged
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to Christina. Tubbs is arrested and pleads not
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guilty to the crime. And in April of 2000, nearly
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nine years after the murder, the trial starts.
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The state is seeking the death penalty in this
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case. However, almost as quickly as the trial
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starts, it stops. It's revealed by Tubbs' defense
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team that the hair in question, the one found
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in his car, was never actually tested by the
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FBI. There had been a mix -up in the samples,
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and the FBI had tested known samples of Christina's
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hair. So of course those came back as a match
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for her DNA. So the court delays the trial for
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two months so the FBI can test the strand found
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in the car, the correct sample. Within weeks
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though, the FBI reports that the hair sample
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from the car is not a good enough sample for
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them to be able to get a DNA profile from. Therefore,
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they can't prove that it's Christina's. Tubbs'
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late wife also can't testify and her testimony
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is not admitted into court. She can't testify
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because she was murdered two years to the day
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after Christina in a burglary that had gone wrong.
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Tubbs had been cleared of any involvement in
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his late wife's murder. So without these two
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pieces of critical evidence, the prosecutors
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are forced to drop all the charges. The prosecutor
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doesn't have enough evidence to prove beyond
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a reasonable doubt and certainly prove a death
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case with what evidence he has left after those
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two things are taken out. The evidence that is
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left is really just contradicting stories in
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how the hair could have ended up in his car.
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Investigators say that they don't plan to reinvestigate
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the case and Tubbs can't be charged again in
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this case because of double jeopardy. After this,
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the case really goes cold until about 2023 when
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another podcast, Hell Gone Cold, covers this
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case. And it brings up a lot of media attention.
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And there are some new details released. And
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that's when we get the details about the children
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seeing a suspicious figure in town the day that
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Christina went missing. But other than that,
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there are really no new developments in Christina's
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case. So with that, if you know anything about
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the murder of Christina Pipkin in 1991, please
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call the Arkansas State Police at 501 -618 -8420.
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So that is the case of Christina Pipkin. I loved
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hearing the detail about Christina and that she
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was chatty at school and just the way... people
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spoke about her. And we've said this before when
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we've covered cold cases involving children,
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but it's just really heartbreaking to learn about
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their budding personalities and the way that
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they're just squashed out of existence. I don't
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know. As always, these are... The most difficult
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cases for me to listen to, but I'm so grateful
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that we cover them. And just more about Christina,
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she sounded just like a little ray of sunshine.
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Yeah, the detail of Christina writing poetry
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and writing gospel songs, there's something about
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a child that writes worship music that is just
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so endearing. You know, whatever kind of worship
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music it is, it's just... There's something very
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innocent and pure about it. And yeah, I think
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that just kind of sums up Christina, you know.
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Yeah. And the things that she was doing in her
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young life, which kind of brings us into this
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into the timeline, which is, you know, doing
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her little sales thing in the neighborhood. I
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definitely remember this happening in my neighborhood
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with fundraising stuff. little pizza kits and
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stuff. I remember this being a very normal thing
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in the 90s. So when you introduced that that's
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what she was doing, I immediately understood
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kind of her navigating of the local neighborhood.
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It was a space that she knew. Definitely. And
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just as a side note, you know, after Christina's
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murder, the county, the school district banned
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door -to -door sales as fundraisers for children
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after this they didn't want kids doing it anymore
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and you know when I was growing up I don't think
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my school officially had anything like this we
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had other kinds of fundraisers but never anything
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that we were supposed to go door -to -door for
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but I did have that kind of fundraising for like
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um like my dance squad stuff so it was something
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that was still happening a lot in the 90s but
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I don't think it's happening I wanted to ask
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a more specific question about this part of the
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timeline. I didn't catch when you said that she
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asked her parents to go out. What was that time
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window? So she left her parents' house between
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4 .30 and 5 p .m. and was last seen at around
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6 .30 p .m. So this was, you know, perceivably
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daylight. For the most part. Yeah, it would have
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been the early evening hours, but the beginning
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of May. So the days are getting longer every
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day at this point in the year. When you were
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speaking about her route and mentioning through
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lanes or through traffic, is that just like concentrated
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areas where lots of people are crossing from
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like different towns or cities? Yeah, she was
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the last seen. I believe near Arkansas 49. And
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so this is like a highway country road and it
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kind of links some major cities and it runs right
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through the small town of Hickory Ridge. So there's
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usually a lot of just traffic on this road as
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people kind of go from one city to the next.
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Thank you. I think I had, you know, a loose understanding,
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but that definitely clarifies things, which,
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you know, brings me to what you spoke about next,
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which is. This man, this creepy mystery guy with
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the mustache, he also buys the cigarettes, right?
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Yeah, the grocery store clerk said that she sold
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cigarettes to a strange man that matched the
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children's description of the man that they saw
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around 4 .45 p .m. You know, you bringing up
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the grocery store clerk. I feel like I can't
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not mention the community here and the unwavering
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support that this family received in search of
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Christina. And, you know, I was kind of impressed
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at how law enforcement showed up as well. A tiny,
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you know, a small community, but very mighty.
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The love is clearly there. Yeah, the town definitely
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showed up for Christina and searched for them.
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I will say this, and I didn't mention it in the
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timeline, but just since you mentioned it, the
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small town of Hickory Ridge did fall into some
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small town traps of, you know, rumor mills. And
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the town eventually was like pretty vicious towards
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Christina's parents. And they ended up moving
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just months after they buried her because they
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couldn't take. the rumors or people saying they
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weren't acting right or a lot of townsfolk were
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upset that the family had used funds that were
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raised for a headstone, but the family had used
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it on other expenses at the time. So, you know,
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the police had to kind of come out again and
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again and say that her parents were not involved
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because people wouldn't stop speculating and
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spreading rumors that they were. That's so sad
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and so unfortunate that there was another side
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to the same coin. But, you know, with a tragedy
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like this, rocking a community, you know, I think
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it can change people as well. So I, you know,
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that's devastating to hear because her parents
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absolutely deserve peace. More just like about
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the community in general and that, you know,
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it is the size of 500 people. Is it common knowledge
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that there are small bodies of water in this
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area to outsiders of the community? I was just
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curious about that. Would someone have had to
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have known that that small ditch or body of water
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was there to bring her there? No, that's a good
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question. Where she was found, police theorized
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that she would have been dropped right from the
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road over. So anyone driving along the road would
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have seen this water underneath. But again, and
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we'll have pictures of this on our Instagram
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of where her body was found, because I just want
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to emphasize that this, and I get why police
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truly believe foul play was suspected here, because
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this is not like a swimming spot. It's, you know,
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it's off. a highway, runs underneath it. If you're
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from the Midwest, you drive and do a long drive,
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you see this type of water all over the place.
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And you never see people swimming, you never
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see people fishing. So this water just, it's
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not a place that a child who didn't know how
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to swim, I think, would be tempted to go swimming.
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And furthermore, on top of that, when I was looking
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at the maps and the Fastest way, point A to B,
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where she was last seen to where her body was
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found. If she had walked there along the road,
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there were other water spots. There was other
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places to enter the water if that's what she
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wanted to do. So the fact that all these other
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opportunities were missed and like went even
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farther out, I think that is very suspicious.
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And I definitely see how police believe that
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it was foul play involved. Yeah, I mean, there's
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not really any part of me that thinks otherwise.
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I have a few questions about Robbie Tubbs, just
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to bring him up briefly. What do you make of
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this connection? I mean, I know he, Double Jeopardy,
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because I didn't know, I don't know, I don't
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know who he is. I wasn't writing a lot of questions.
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I was just listening to you. And I just wanted
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to circle back on kind of what happened here
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with him. Yeah, it's Tubbs. He's not an upstanding
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member of the community outside of this. Later,
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you know, robbery charges will be brought against
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him. And he'll also, I believe, admit that of
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like having sexual relations with a teenager.
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So, you know, overall, not a great guy. But I
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don't know really what to make of this. You know,
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the hair is really small evidence. Like, I, that's
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just having a hair kind of connect you to something.
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That's a lot for a death penalty case, for sure.
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So, like, I definitely have doubts about it,
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but I'm also suspicious. You know what I mean?
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So it's like, I'm suspicious of this person.
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And, you know, he did have some contradicting
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stories. That Christina went missing. He was
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out of town staying at a hotel, but the hotel
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had no records of him that weekend. So he is
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caught in some lies there, but not enough to
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prove a capital murder case. Well, even though
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there's, you know, limited information in Christina's
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case, I was glad to hear that, you know, another
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podcast had covered this and there was a moment
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like a blip where there was energy around her
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case again. And I hope that that happens here
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with you sharing her timeline with us and kind
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of connecting some dots and providing updates.
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I feel it's kind of painful to say this or admit
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this. I feel lost thinking about this case because,
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yeah, there's a lot of speculation, but I think
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because it happened in her town and so close
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to home. My mind has a very difficult time trying
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to pin anyone down for this. I'm so glad that
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you brought it to Cold and Missing. Yeah, it's
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hard to kind of point any way. You know, the
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only people truly cleared are her parents, and
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she has a brother. You know, her family has all
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been cleared in the case. But outside of that,
00:26:09.369 --> 00:26:12.230
it's really hard to figure out what happened
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here. She just... Really vanished, it seems like.
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And then she was found a few days later with
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no other marks. You know, I had wondered if,
00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.299
you know, if there was anything else on her body
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that gave police an indication of foul play.
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But it does just seem like her cause of death
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was drowning. And police had theorized, you know,
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around the time of the trial that perhaps she
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had been suffocated before. being put in the
00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:46.180
water. But that was never proved. You know, nobody
00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:47.960
testified that that's what happened. It's just
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kind of what police theorized in the media. You
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know, I do hope that there is continued momentum
00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:00.359
around Christina's case. And, you know, I, I
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.980
realized that, you know, there's this double
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:04.380
jeopardy. That's what the papers I'm not a legal
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:06.200
expert. I'm not a lawyer. So I don't know if
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.900
there's a legal loophole that would ever be able
00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:12.240
to bring charges against him again. But You know,
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.380
even just getting concrete answers for her family
00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:21.059
and just knowing beyond a reasonable doubt what
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.400
happened to Christina, I think would go a long
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way for the community to provide answers and
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.460
to give some healing to everybody that knew her,
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.319
just exactly what happened to her. And so I hope
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police continue to work the case and put resources
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:39.490
towards the case. But again, if you know anything
00:27:39.490 --> 00:27:43.490
about the murder of Christina Pipkin in May of
00:27:43.490 --> 00:27:47.690
1991, please call the Arkansas State Police at
00:27:47.690 --> 00:27:53.750
501 -618 -8420. And like I mentioned earlier,
00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:57.849
we will have pictures of Christina on our Instagram,
00:27:57.910 --> 00:28:01.809
but we'll also have a picture of the area where
00:28:01.809 --> 00:28:04.309
her body was found just to kind of give you an
00:28:04.309 --> 00:28:06.390
idea. There's nothing graphic in the photo. It's
00:28:06.390 --> 00:28:09.690
just kind of an image of the bridge just to give
00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:14.410
an image to the site and why it does seem very,
00:28:14.509 --> 00:28:18.630
very strange that a child would wander there
00:28:18.630 --> 00:28:21.190
to go swimming and why foul play is suspected
00:28:21.190 --> 00:28:25.769
here. So those will be on our Instagram at coldandmissing.
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a lot to us that Our listeners are, you know,
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of course, willing to support in any way that
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they can. But, you know, in this way, it pushes
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the podcast in a specific way. And it's really
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nice. So thank you so much. But with that, I
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think we can just jump into this episode. We
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are on episode 127 this week. Yep. And we are
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on a cold case. Let's get into it. So just as
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a quick content warning at the top, this case
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does involve a young person, and there are some
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brief mentions of sexual assault and domestic
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violence. Today, we are talking about the cold
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case of Christina Pipkin, and this takes place
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in May of 1991 in Hickory Ridge, Arkansas. But
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first, a little bit about Christina. Christina
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is nine years old in 1991. She is a fourth grader
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at Hickory Ridge Elementary School, where she
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is a talkative young girl and a good student.
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She liked to color, read, and write poetry and
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gospel songs. Her mother, Frida, says, quote,
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She's got a lot of interests, and she's just
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as smart as she can be. She wrote a song called
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I Love You, and when she started singing it,
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it sounded like about a person. In the end, it
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was about the Lord. End quote. Christina and
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her family had just moved to the little town
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of Hickory Ridge a few months before the timeline
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starts. The town is small. It has a population
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of less than 500 people. The mayor of Hickory
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Ridge is also the fire chief, the plumbing inspector,
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and the water operator for the town, just to
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kind of paint a picture for you. Christina is
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tall for her age. She stands at 4 '9 and weighs
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about 80 pounds. She has short brown hair and
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brown eyes. And now a timeline of events. On
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Saturday, May 4th, 1991. So it's unclear exactly
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what Christina was getting up to on this Saturday.
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But what we do know is that between 4 .30 and
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5 p .m., she asks her parents if she can go out
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and go door -to -door to try to sell some stuff
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for her school's fundraiser. The students were
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tasked with selling costume jewelry in order
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to raise funds for the school. Christina gets
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permission but is told to be back before it gets
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dark. Christina is wearing shorts and a t -shirt
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that said Desert Storm on it, along with Hickory
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Ridge Elementary School. It had a logo of Arkansas,
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the American flag, and Kuwait on it. She's wearing
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white sandals and has red yarn bracelets on her
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ankle and wrist. She's also carrying a pencil
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and the order form with her as she walks around
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town. At the time of reporting in 1991, the last
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confirmed sighting of Christina is around 6 .30
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p .m. She was taking an order from a woman about
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two blocks away from her home, but she was near
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Arkansas 49 when she was last spotted, which
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was a busy road that had a lot of through traffic.
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However, in recent years, some more details have
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come out around the last time she was seen. Multiple
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children interviewed by police said that they
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had seen a stranger in town driving a light blue
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car and had been seen near the grocery store
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on the day that Christina went missing. Most
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kids reported the man driving the light blue
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car as white, having long, messy hair and high
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cheekbones. One of the child witnesses said that
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they saw the car slowly following Christina as
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she was walking near the grocery store. They
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said that Christina was shaking her head no at
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the car. A cashier at the grocery store told
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police that the day Christina went missing, a
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stranger came in with long dark hair and a mustache
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to buy cigarettes around 5 .45 p .m., about 45
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minutes before Christina was last seen at 6 .30.
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As it gets darker and darker outside, Christina's
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parents begin to worry when she doesn't come
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back. She had never stayed out late before. They
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start looking for her around 8 p .m. Her parents
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go door to door, asking if anyone had seen her.
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No one had seen her recently, though lots of
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folks do say that they had seen her walking around
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earlier. Finally, at around 8 .53 p .m., Christina's
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parents call police to report her missing. The
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town is so small that they don't have a police
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force themselves, but the county sheriff shows
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up and takes the search seriously. The town's
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emergency alarm is sounded, and by 9 .30, more
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than 250 volunteers had showed up to help search.
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That's over half the town. Nobody thinks this
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is a runaway situation. People search through
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the night for Christina, but they don't find
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any sign of her. The next day, Sunday, May 5th,
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another massive search is launched as the day
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breaks. People are searching on foot, horseback,
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ATV, helicopters, and airplanes looking for any
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sign of the little girl. With each passing hour,
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the search gets more and more desperate. Investigators
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say, quote, it's getting past the time when she
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may have stayed all night with a friend and didn't
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call her parents. It has the appearance of an
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abduction, end quote. By Monday, so Christina
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has been missing since Saturday night, the FBI
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joins the search for the missing girl, and searches
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continue throughout Monday and into the next
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day, Tuesday, May 7th. Christina has been missing
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for three days now when the search comes to an
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end. In the evening hours, just over the border
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into the next county, about four miles from where
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Christina was last seen, A man and his sons are
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walking down to a nearby bridge to check on the
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water levels. The bridge went over Cow Lake Ditch,
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a water ditch that runs for miles in between
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fields of crops. At this time in 1991, the water
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was about nine feet deep, but it did fluctuate.
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When the man and his sons get to the bridge,
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one of the sons notices something in the water.
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The man goes down and realizes what he's looking
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at. He brings his sons home as quickly as he
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can so he can call the police. When police arrive,
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they find the body of Christina in the water.
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Her body is fully clothed, but her white sandals
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are missing. Also missing is the pencil and order
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form that she had been carrying. Cross County
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Sheriff Ronnie Huey says, quote, we haven't a
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clue as to what happened. There's nothing that
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we can even build a theory on yet, end quote.
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There are no obvious signs of trauma to her body,
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according to police. No bruising, cuts, scrapes.
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Police say that they will need to wait for the
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autopsy before commenting on a cause of death.
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However, police immediately begin to treat the
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death as foul play. The next day, Wednesday,
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May 8th, Christina's autopsy is conducted. Her
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cause of death is labeled as drowning. and the
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autopsy confirms that she had not been sexually
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assaulted. Police do believe that she died where
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she entered the water, and she likely died on
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Saturday, the day that she went missing. Police
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still believe that foul play is involved. They
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point to her missing shoes, and they don't believe
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that she could have walked four miles without
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anyone else seeing her on the busy road. Police
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say, quote, We're going to keep scratching and
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digging, trying to get that one clue that will
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get us started. You just keep on keeping on.
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Someone is going to remember something or we're
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going to kick something over. End quote. Christina's
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parents support this. Christina couldn't swim.
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There would have been no reason for her to walk
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so far out of town to go swimming. And, when
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they did go swimming, she would only splash around
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on the shallow end because she didn't like going
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where she couldn't touch the bottom. Police spend
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all day searching the area where she was found
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for additional clues. Divers are sent into the
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water, but nothing further is recovered. Her
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shoes are never found, and neither is the pencil
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she was carrying or the order form. On Friday,
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May 10th, just shy of one week since she was
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last seen, Christina is laid to rest. Police
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still have zero leads in the case. They have
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talked to a few people, but no one has emerged
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as a real person of interest or a suspect. Both
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of Christina's parents will be questioned by
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both the police and the FBI, and both of them
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will be cleared of any suspicion. The case very
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quickly goes cold. Over the next few years, other
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children will go missing and either are never
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recovered or they're found murdered. This includes
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the murder of Michael Moore, Steve Branch, and
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Christopher Byers that resulted in the arrest
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of the West Memphis Three. Police don't think
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any of these cases are related, but it is happening
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a lot. In June of 1995, so it's been over four
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years since the death of Christina, and police
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are just as convinced today as they were the
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day they found her that foul play is involved.
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repeating that she did not get there by herself.
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Someone took her out where she was found. The
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case has been reviewed by other detectives over
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the years, retired detectives and freelance detectives,
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but nothing new has ever surfaced from this,
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and no new leads have come to police. Then, seemingly
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out of nowhere, in November of 1999, so it's
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been over eight years since the murder, and police
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make an arrest in the case. They say that they
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have new forensic information that results in
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the arrest of Robbie Tubbs for Christina's murder.
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Tubbs first came to police's attention when his
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late wife told police that when Christina was
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still missing, before her body was found, Tubbs
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was watching the news coverage and said that
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no one would find the girl because there are
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too many ditches for the girl to drown in. and
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days later, Christina was found in a ditch, drowned.
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She also told police that he had tied her up
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and beat her when she threatened to tell the
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police of what he had done. Police say that they
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found a hair in Tubbs' 1980 AMC Eagle sedan.
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The hair was found on the right front passenger
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side. Police collected the sample about seven
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months after the murder. Police are not able
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to arrest him in 1991 because they don't have
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testing to prove that the hair was Christina's.
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But with advances in DNA technology over the
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years, police say that they have been able to
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confirm that the hair found in his car belonged
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to Christina. Tubbs is arrested and pleads not
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guilty to the crime. And in April of 2000, nearly
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nine years after the murder, the trial starts.
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The state is seeking the death penalty in this
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case. However, almost as quickly as the trial
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starts, it stops. It's revealed by Tubbs' defense
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team that the hair in question, the one found
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in his car, was never actually tested by the
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FBI. There had been a mix -up in the samples,
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and the FBI had tested known samples of Christina's
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hair. So of course those came back as a match
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for her DNA. So the court delays the trial for
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two months so the FBI can test the strand found
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in the car, the correct sample. Within weeks
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though, the FBI reports that the hair sample
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from the car is not a good enough sample for
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them to be able to get a DNA profile from. Therefore,
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they can't prove that it's Christina's. Tubbs'
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late wife also can't testify and her testimony
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is not admitted into court. She can't testify
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because she was murdered two years to the day
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after Christina in a burglary that had gone wrong.
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Tubbs had been cleared of any involvement in
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his late wife's murder. So without these two
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pieces of critical evidence, the prosecutors
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are forced to drop all the charges. The prosecutor
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doesn't have enough evidence to prove beyond
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a reasonable doubt and certainly prove a death
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case with what evidence he has left after those
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two things are taken out. The evidence that is
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left is really just contradicting stories in
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how the hair could have ended up in his car.
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Investigators say that they don't plan to reinvestigate
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the case and Tubbs can't be charged again in
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this case because of double jeopardy. After this,
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the case really goes cold until about 2023 when
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another podcast, Hell Gone Cold, covers this
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case. And it brings up a lot of media attention.
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And there are some new details released. And
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that's when we get the details about the children
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seeing a suspicious figure in town the day that
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Christina went missing. But other than that,
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there are really no new developments in Christina's
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case. So with that, if you know anything about
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the murder of Christina Pipkin in 1991, please
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call the Arkansas State Police at 501 -618 -8420.
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So that is the case of Christina Pipkin. I loved
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hearing the detail about Christina and that she
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was chatty at school and just the way... people
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spoke about her. And we've said this before when
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we've covered cold cases involving children,
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but it's just really heartbreaking to learn about
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their budding personalities and the way that
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they're just squashed out of existence. I don't
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know. As always, these are... The most difficult
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cases for me to listen to, but I'm so grateful
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that we cover them. And just more about Christina,
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she sounded just like a little ray of sunshine.
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Yeah, the detail of Christina writing poetry
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and writing gospel songs, there's something about
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a child that writes worship music that is just
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so endearing. You know, whatever kind of worship
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music it is, it's just... There's something very
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innocent and pure about it. And yeah, I think
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that just kind of sums up Christina, you know.
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Yeah. And the things that she was doing in her
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young life, which kind of brings us into this
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into the timeline, which is, you know, doing
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her little sales thing in the neighborhood. I
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definitely remember this happening in my neighborhood
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with fundraising stuff. little pizza kits and
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stuff. I remember this being a very normal thing
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in the 90s. So when you introduced that that's
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what she was doing, I immediately understood
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kind of her navigating of the local neighborhood.
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It was a space that she knew. Definitely. And
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just as a side note, you know, after Christina's
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murder, the county, the school district banned
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door -to -door sales as fundraisers for children
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after this they didn't want kids doing it anymore
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and you know when I was growing up I don't think
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my school officially had anything like this we
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had other kinds of fundraisers but never anything
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that we were supposed to go door -to -door for
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but I did have that kind of fundraising for like
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um like my dance squad stuff so it was something
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that was still happening a lot in the 90s but
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I don't think it's happening I wanted to ask
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a more specific question about this part of the
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timeline. I didn't catch when you said that she
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asked her parents to go out. What was that time
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window? So she left her parents' house between
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4 .30 and 5 p .m. and was last seen at around
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6 .30 p .m. So this was, you know, perceivably
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daylight. For the most part. Yeah, it would have
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been the early evening hours, but the beginning
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of May. So the days are getting longer every
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day at this point in the year. When you were
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speaking about her route and mentioning through
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lanes or through traffic, is that just like concentrated
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areas where lots of people are crossing from
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like different towns or cities? Yeah, she was
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the last seen. I believe near Arkansas 49. And
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so this is like a highway country road and it
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kind of links some major cities and it runs right
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through the small town of Hickory Ridge. So there's
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usually a lot of just traffic on this road as
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people kind of go from one city to the next.
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Thank you. I think I had, you know, a loose understanding,
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but that definitely clarifies things, which,
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you know, brings me to what you spoke about next,
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which is. This man, this creepy mystery guy with
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the mustache, he also buys the cigarettes, right?
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Yeah, the grocery store clerk said that she sold
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cigarettes to a strange man that matched the
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children's description of the man that they saw
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around 4 .45 p .m. You know, you bringing up
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the grocery store clerk. I feel like I can't
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not mention the community here and the unwavering
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support that this family received in search of
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Christina. And, you know, I was kind of impressed
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at how law enforcement showed up as well. A tiny,
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you know, a small community, but very mighty.
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The love is clearly there. Yeah, the town definitely
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showed up for Christina and searched for them.
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I will say this, and I didn't mention it in the
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timeline, but just since you mentioned it, the
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small town of Hickory Ridge did fall into some
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small town traps of, you know, rumor mills. And
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the town eventually was like pretty vicious towards
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Christina's parents. And they ended up moving
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just months after they buried her because they
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couldn't take. the rumors or people saying they
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weren't acting right or a lot of townsfolk were
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upset that the family had used funds that were
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raised for a headstone, but the family had used
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it on other expenses at the time. So, you know,
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the police had to kind of come out again and
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again and say that her parents were not involved
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because people wouldn't stop speculating and
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spreading rumors that they were. That's so sad
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and so unfortunate that there was another side
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to the same coin. But, you know, with a tragedy
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like this, rocking a community, you know, I think
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it can change people as well. So I, you know,
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that's devastating to hear because her parents
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absolutely deserve peace. More just like about
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the community in general and that, you know,
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it is the size of 500 people. Is it common knowledge
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that there are small bodies of water in this
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area to outsiders of the community? I was just
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curious about that. Would someone have had to
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have known that that small ditch or body of water
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was there to bring her there? No, that's a good
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question. Where she was found, police theorized
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that she would have been dropped right from the
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road over. So anyone driving along the road would
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have seen this water underneath. But again, and
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we'll have pictures of this on our Instagram
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of where her body was found, because I just want
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to emphasize that this, and I get why police
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truly believe foul play was suspected here, because
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this is not like a swimming spot. It's, you know,
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it's off. a highway, runs underneath it. If you're
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from the Midwest, you drive and do a long drive,
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you see this type of water all over the place.
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And you never see people swimming, you never
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see people fishing. So this water just, it's
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not a place that a child who didn't know how
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to swim, I think, would be tempted to go swimming.
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And furthermore, on top of that, when I was looking
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at the maps and the Fastest way, point A to B,
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where she was last seen to where her body was
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found. If she had walked there along the road,
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there were other water spots. There was other
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places to enter the water if that's what she
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wanted to do. So the fact that all these other
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opportunities were missed and like went even
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farther out, I think that is very suspicious.
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And I definitely see how police believe that
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it was foul play involved. Yeah, I mean, there's
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not really any part of me that thinks otherwise.
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I have a few questions about Robbie Tubbs, just
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to bring him up briefly. What do you make of
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this connection? I mean, I know he, Double Jeopardy,
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because I didn't know, I don't know, I don't
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know who he is. I wasn't writing a lot of questions.
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I was just listening to you. And I just wanted
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to circle back on kind of what happened here
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with him. Yeah, it's Tubbs. He's not an upstanding
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member of the community outside of this. Later,
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you know, robbery charges will be brought against
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him. And he'll also, I believe, admit that of
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like having sexual relations with a teenager.
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So, you know, overall, not a great guy. But I
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don't know really what to make of this. You know,
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the hair is really small evidence. Like, I, that's
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just having a hair kind of connect you to something.
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That's a lot for a death penalty case, for sure.
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So, like, I definitely have doubts about it,
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but I'm also suspicious. You know what I mean?
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So it's like, I'm suspicious of this person.
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And, you know, he did have some contradicting
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stories. That Christina went missing. He was
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out of town staying at a hotel, but the hotel
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had no records of him that weekend. So he is
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caught in some lies there, but not enough to
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prove a capital murder case. Well, even though
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there's, you know, limited information in Christina's
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case, I was glad to hear that, you know, another
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podcast had covered this and there was a moment
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like a blip where there was energy around her
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case again. And I hope that that happens here
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with you sharing her timeline with us and kind
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of connecting some dots and providing updates.
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I feel it's kind of painful to say this or admit
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this. I feel lost thinking about this case because,
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yeah, there's a lot of speculation, but I think
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because it happened in her town and so close
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to home. My mind has a very difficult time trying
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to pin anyone down for this. I'm so glad that
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you brought it to Cold and Missing. Yeah, it's
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hard to kind of point any way. You know, the
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only people truly cleared are her parents, and
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she has a brother. You know, her family has all
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been cleared in the case. But outside of that,
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it's really hard to figure out what happened
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here. She just... Really vanished, it seems like.
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And then she was found a few days later with
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no other marks. You know, I had wondered if,
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you know, if there was anything else on her body
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that gave police an indication of foul play.
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But it does just seem like her cause of death
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was drowning. And police had theorized, you know,
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around the time of the trial that perhaps she
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had been suffocated before. being put in the
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water. But that was never proved. You know, nobody
00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:47.960
testified that that's what happened. It's just
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kind of what police theorized in the media. You
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know, I do hope that there is continued momentum
00:26:55.940 --> 00:27:00.359
around Christina's case. And, you know, I, I
00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.980
realized that, you know, there's this double
00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:04.380
jeopardy. That's what the papers I'm not a legal
00:27:04.380 --> 00:27:06.200
expert. I'm not a lawyer. So I don't know if
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.900
there's a legal loophole that would ever be able
00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:12.240
to bring charges against him again. But You know,
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.380
even just getting concrete answers for her family
00:27:15.380 --> 00:27:21.059
and just knowing beyond a reasonable doubt what
00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:23.400
happened to Christina, I think would go a long
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way for the community to provide answers and
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.460
to give some healing to everybody that knew her,
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.319
just exactly what happened to her. And so I hope
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police continue to work the case and put resources
00:27:36.420 --> 00:27:39.490
towards the case. But again, if you know anything
00:27:39.490 --> 00:27:43.490
about the murder of Christina Pipkin in May of
00:27:43.490 --> 00:27:47.690
1991, please call the Arkansas State Police at
00:27:47.690 --> 00:27:53.750
501 -618 -8420. And like I mentioned earlier,
00:27:53.890 --> 00:27:57.849
we will have pictures of Christina on our Instagram,
00:27:57.910 --> 00:28:01.809
but we'll also have a picture of the area where
00:28:01.809 --> 00:28:04.309
her body was found just to kind of give you an
00:28:04.309 --> 00:28:06.390
idea. There's nothing graphic in the photo. It's
00:28:06.390 --> 00:28:09.690
just kind of an image of the bridge just to give
00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:14.410
an image to the site and why it does seem very,
00:28:14.509 --> 00:28:18.630
very strange that a child would wander there
00:28:18.630 --> 00:28:21.190
to go swimming and why foul play is suspected
00:28:21.190 --> 00:28:25.769
here. So those will be on our Instagram at coldandmissing.
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