Cold and Missing: Dorothy Jane Scott

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discretion is advised. I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin

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-Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

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cold cases and missing person cases. Hello everyone

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mean a lot to us. But with that, we will go ahead

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and just get into this week's episode. Yeah,

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we are on episode... One twenty -three this week.

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And we are on a cold case. All right, let's get

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into it. Let's do it. Today, we are talking about

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the cold case of Dorothy Jane Scott. And this

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takes place in May of 1980 in Orange County,

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California. But first, a little bit about Dorothy.

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Dorothy is 32 years old in 1980. She is a single

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mother to a four -year -old son and works as

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a secretary for a novelty and head shop. called

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the Swinger Psych Shop. Despite working for a

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head shop, those that knew Dorothy said that

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she wasn't interested in drugs or partying. She

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didn't really go out. She was focused on taking

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care of her son. In fact, many of her days looked

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the same. She would wake up and get her son ready

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for the day and then drop him off at her parents'

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house and then head off to work. Dorothy and

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her son lived with Dorothy's aunt at this time.

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Dorothy wasn't dating anyone at this time in

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1980 either, but she had started to get strange

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phone calls. A man would call her at her job

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all the time. The calls had been going on for

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months. According to her father, Jacob Scott,

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quote, End quote. The stalker had also threatened

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to kill Dorothy and cut her up into pieces. Dorothy

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didn't have any clue who the man was that was

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torturing her on the phone, and those that knew

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Dorothy couldn't figure it out either. And now

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a timeline of events. On Wednesday, May 28, 1980.

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There was a nightly meeting for the Storrs where

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she was working as a secretary. At the meeting

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was her coworker, Conrad Bostron. Conrad wasn't

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feeling well at all, and his arm was inflamed

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from a spider bite. Dorothy insisted on taking

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him to the hospital when the meeting was over

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so he could get some medical attention. Another

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coworker, Pam Head, said she would tag along

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with them as well. So Dorothy, Pam, and Conrad

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all get into Dorothy's white 1973 Toyota station

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wagon and head out. Before going to the hospital,

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Dorothy stops by her parents' home to tell them

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what was going on and to make sure that her son

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would be in good hands for the rest of the night.

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Of course he was safe at his grandparents' house,

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so Dorothy changed her scarf before leaving.

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She is wearing long -sleeved maroon blouse and

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a round turquoise ring. The color of her scarf

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has been reported as different over the years.

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However, the important part of this detail is

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that she changed scarves and it was a different

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color than the one that she was wearing at the

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meeting. Dorothy, Conrad, and Pam all arrive

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at the University of California Irvine Medical

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Center. It's unclear exactly what time they show

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up, but Conrad is there for the rest of the evening

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and While Conrad was getting treated, Pam and

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Dorothy sat in the waiting room together, reading

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magazines and watching the TV. According to Pam,

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Dorothy never left her side during this period.

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Once Conrad had finished up, it was starting

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to be the early morning hours of Thursday, May

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29th, Dorothy told him to go get his prescription

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filled at the hospital pharmacy. She was going

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to go use the bathroom and pull the car around

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since Conrad still wasn't feeling his best. Pam

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stayed with Conrad to get his prescription filled

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and Dorothy headed out to use the bathroom and

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then out to her car. Pam and Conrad waited for

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Dorothy, but when she didn't appear, they decided

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to go out to the parking lot to see if maybe

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she was waiting out there. The two of them do

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see someone driving Dorothy's car, but they can't

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see exactly who the driver is because the headlights

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are on and it blinds them. Pam said, Conrad and

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Pam are very confused by this turn of events,

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and they decide to wait at the hospital for what's

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reported between one and two hours. They think

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that maybe there was an emergency with Dorothy's

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son. and she would be back for them, that she

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had to leave very quickly, but she'd return back

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as soon as it was taken care of. After time had

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passed, again, it's reported to be about one

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or two hours, they decided to alert the police

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at the medical center. The university police

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put out a bolo for Dorothy and her car, and at

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around 4 .30 a .m., police find her 1973 Toyota

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station wagon about 10 miles away in Santa Ana.

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It's located in an alleyway, and when the police

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find it, it's engulfed in flames. When the fire

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is put out, the car is searched, but Dorothy

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is not inside. The university police handle the

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case since Dorothy was last seen at the university

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medical center. They handle Dorothy's case as

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a missing person under suspicious circumstances.

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The police also ask Dorothy's parents not to

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alert the media that she's missing while they

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work the investigation. Her parents agree to

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do whatever the police ask. Investigators first

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take a look at her son's biological father. He

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had been in town recently from Missouri to visit

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his son. However, police are able to prove that

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he was in Missouri when Dorothy disappeared.

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About a week after Dorothy disappeared, The exact

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date was not published, but her father, Jacob

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Scott, got a phone call at home. The man who

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called asked, quote, are you related to Dorothy

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Scott? When her dad said yes, the caller said,

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quote, I've got her, and then hung up. After

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Dorothy had been missing for two weeks and this

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strange phone call, her father decides to call

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the local media to get the word out about his

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daughter's case and to get more people looking

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for her. So on Thursday, June 12th, Dorothy has

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been missing for two weeks, and a local paper,

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The Register, runs for the first time that Dorothy

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is missing. Later that same day, the managing

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editor of The Register gets a phone call from

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a man. The man says, quote, Dorothy Jane Scott.

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She was my love. I caught her cheating with another

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man. She denied having another man. I killed

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her. End quote. The editor, Pat Riley, calls

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police immediately. When he talks about the event

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with others, he says this, quote, after a lot

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of years, you get a feeling about people. He

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did sound genuine, end quote. It also appears

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that Pat Riley talked with the caller for a few

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minutes. The caller had other details that at

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this point weren't public knowledge. The caller

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knew about Conrad's spider bite. and had details

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about Dorothy's clothing, specifically her scarf

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color that she was wearing at the hospital. And

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remember, she had changed after her meeting.

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The man also claimed that Dorothy called him

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from the hospital. However, Pam Head, Dorothy's

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co -worker, says that that was impossible. She

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maintains that her and Dorothy were together

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the entire time, except for when she went to

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use the bathroom before going to grab her car.

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That was the only time they separated and Dorothy

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did not make a phone call. Her family is baffled

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by her disappearance and the strange phone calls.

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Her father Jacob says, quote, we just can't put

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that together. She worked from morning to evening.

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She lives with my sister. She might have had

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an occasional date, but they were few and far

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between, end quote. On Saturday, June 14th, it's

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been 16 days, and the UCI police chief says,

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quote, The Scots are probably reaching the point

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that we have reached, that we probably won't

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find her alive. There's always a glimmer of hope,

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but it isn't very bright. End quote. Police say

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that they are taking the caller at his word,

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that he has killed Dorothy. Investigators say

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that they do have several people of interest.

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Three men specifically that they're looking at,

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but they haven't zeroed in on any one of them

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specifically. Police think that the phone calls

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are a cry for help, that the killer wants to

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get caught. Quickly though, Dorothy's case goes

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cold. No sign of Dorothy is found. However, the

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calls don't stop. Over the next four years, Dorothy's

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parents, specifically her mother, will get calls

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either asking if Dorothy was home or saying that

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they had taken Dorothy. Her father says, quote,

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Most calls come in the afternoon when my wife

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was home. It was a soft -spoken voice, and they

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didn't stay on very long. End quote. There was

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no pattern to when the person would call. It

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was randomly, but always when Vera was home alone.

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The Scotts didn't change their phone number.

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They hoped that if the person who was calling

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actually had Dorothy, that they would be allowed

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to speak to her at some point. Years they're

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tortured by the caller. The police do try to

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trace the calls. They tap the Scotts' phone,

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but investigators are never able to trace the

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call. Either the phone wasn't tapped when he

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would call, since he was doing it so randomly,

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or he wouldn't stay on the phone long enough

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to trace the call. Years go by. And on August

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6, 1984, it's been over four years since Dorothy

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vanished, a construction worker was getting ready

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to dig a trench so cables could be laid under

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Santa Ana Canyon Road in North Anaheim. The area

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is rugged, and according to police, when the

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construction worker was backing his tractor over

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some small trees and brush in the area, he observed

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human bones and stopped to call the police. Police

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come out to the area and confirm they do have

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human remains. Investigators aren't able to recover

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the entire body. They find a skull, pelvis, arm,

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and two thigh bones. Investigators don't think

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that she was buried here, but rather dumped here,

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and over time, the soil started to cover her

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up. Next to the human bones, it's reported that

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dog bones were found as well. It's also been

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reported that parts of the bones are charred.

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This led investigators to believe that the remains

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had been there for at least two years since a

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fire had swept through that area about two years

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before the remains were found. It takes about

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a week, but it's confirmed that the remains are

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Dorothy. They're confirmed via dental records.

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Among the remains, investigators find a watch

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and a turquoise ring. They were all identified

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as Dorothy's. It's reported that the watch stopped

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at 12 .30 a .m. on May 29th. So this would have

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been about an hour after Dorothy was last seen

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at the hospital. Her parents are relieved to

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have this ordeal over with. Her father, Jacob,

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says, quote, before you didn't know whether she

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was or wasn't. It's a big relief. It's one hell

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of a relief." But there is still overwhelming

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sadness that their daughter is dead. While her

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family gets to work making plans to hold a memorial

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service for Dorothy, the phone calls start up

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again. They hadn't heard from the anonymous caller

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in months. The last time that he had called,

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Jacob actually picked up the phone. They think

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that since the caller had been talking to Vera

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for years, that when Jacob picked up the phone,

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he didn't recognize him and thought that the

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Scotts had moved. But on the Friday after it's

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reported that the remains are Dorothy, the calls

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start again. It's not reported what exactly the

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calls were saying this time. Vera and Jacob,

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as well as the police, believe that it's the

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same person that was harassing Dorothy on the

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phone has been harassing them for years. And

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it is also likely that the caller is the murderer.

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Her mother, Vera, says, quote, Dorothy got one

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call just before she disappeared that upset her

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horribly. The voice said, OK, now you are going

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to come my way. And when I get you alone, I will

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cut you up into bits so no one will ever find

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you. End quote. On Wednesday, August 22nd, 1984,

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over four years since Dorothy went missing and

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was murdered, she is laid to rest. This was actually

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originally scheduled to be her uncle's funeral.

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He had passed the week before of cancer, but

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the family decided to have both of them at the

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same time. Her brother spoke at her funeral.

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He says, quote, to me. She exemplified the word

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give. She'd just give and give and give, no matter

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what it cost her. She spent her last hours giving

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and being concerned about others. Police at this

00:16:08.019 --> 00:16:11.580
point don't have any suspects in the case. But

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that is truly it. Over the years, Dorothy's case

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will get mentioned in the paper, but there's

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no updates on the case. It never appears that

00:16:22.889 --> 00:16:26.289
police reopen the investigation into it and no

00:16:26.289 --> 00:16:32.590
new details emerge in this case. So if you know

00:16:32.590 --> 00:16:35.610
anything about the murder of Dorothy Jane Scott

00:16:35.610 --> 00:16:39.370
in May of 1980, please call the Orange County

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Sheriff's Office at 714 -647 -7000. So that is

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the case of Dorothy Jane Scott. I'm so happy

00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:59.100
that you brought Dorothy's case to my attention,

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to our listeners' attention, because I think

00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:09.700
cases like these involving a young mother in

00:17:09.700 --> 00:17:16.259
the 1980s is just after a big wave of serial

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murders that all across the United States. And

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I think in the 1980s, those serial murders were

00:17:26.069 --> 00:17:29.069
continuing to happen. So it makes sense to me

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that her case kind of got lost in the shuffle.

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And that's so heartbreaking and so sad because

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none of these cases should ever be lost in the

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shuffle. So I think... cold and missing covering

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it and even though it's been mentioned before

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maybe people have covered it before I think bringing

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it back up again can create ripples and waves

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in in her case again yeah Dorothy's case is one

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that I was not familiar with myself but you know

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when I start researching cases, I kind of see,

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you know, are there other podcasts that have

00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.279
covered this case before? And Dorothy's case

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is one where there have been a lot of podcasts

00:18:17.220 --> 00:18:21.220
who have covered her case before. But for me,

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I wasn't familiar with it. So I wanted to kind

00:18:25.740 --> 00:18:28.180
of get back to, you know, the newspaper reporting,

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the original reporting, and get those details

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because I think what can happen too a lot of

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times is You know, theories can get repeated

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over and over again as fact. And I wanted to

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get down to the basics of what we know and what

00:18:43.730 --> 00:18:45.829
we don't know. And that's what I tried to do

00:18:45.829 --> 00:18:50.089
here. Yeah, bringing back up that original timeline

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that was recorded in newspapers at the time,

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I think clarified a lot for me. And honestly,

00:19:01.150 --> 00:19:03.250
as I was listening, I couldn't stop writing.

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My mind was coming up with question after question.

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And this is a case where enough time has passed,

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but bringing it back up again, I think, puts

00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.180
fresh eyes on it. Absolutely. And I think that's

00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:26.420
true with any cold case or any missing person

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is we should continuously be talking. Their name

00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:33.230
should always be popping up in, you know. rotation

00:19:33.230 --> 00:19:38.170
cycles of media. So I'm all for bringing this

00:19:38.170 --> 00:19:41.109
case to cold and missing. And I'm sure this case

00:19:41.109 --> 00:19:43.910
is new to some of our listeners as well. Circling

00:19:43.910 --> 00:19:47.130
back to the very top of the timeline, I guess

00:19:47.130 --> 00:19:51.289
this is kind of catalyst before the timeline,

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but the phone calls she was receiving long up

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until her disappearance and murder. Were those

00:20:04.329 --> 00:20:10.150
phone calls ever reported? I guess I don't really

00:20:10.150 --> 00:20:13.789
know what you do in that circumstance if someone

00:20:13.789 --> 00:20:17.890
is calling and harassing you, but there's no

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way to tell who they are. I don't know how that

00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:24.450
interaction goes with law enforcement. So I'm

00:20:24.450 --> 00:20:28.630
just curious if there was anything, you know,

00:20:28.650 --> 00:20:33.170
if she went to the police beforehand or... Maybe

00:20:33.170 --> 00:20:35.750
her parents encouraged her to go or they did

00:20:35.750 --> 00:20:38.029
on her behalf. I'm curious to know more about

00:20:38.029 --> 00:20:42.549
that. So from everything I gathered, I did not

00:20:42.549 --> 00:20:45.049
get the impression that this is something that

00:20:45.049 --> 00:20:49.809
was reported to police. I do know it's 1980.

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Laws are a little different, especially kind

00:20:52.609 --> 00:20:55.569
of around stalking and domestic violence towards

00:20:55.569 --> 00:21:00.730
women. So I don't know if there would have been

00:21:00.730 --> 00:21:05.130
much action. done here during this time if she

00:21:05.130 --> 00:21:08.210
had or if she did go to police. But it did seem

00:21:08.210 --> 00:21:11.829
that she was worried enough to tell her friends,

00:21:12.069 --> 00:21:14.569
her co -workers, her family about what was going

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on because everyone in her life seemed to know

00:21:17.029 --> 00:21:22.190
about these phone calls. My curiosity around

00:21:22.190 --> 00:21:26.890
if the calls were reported or not is because

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I'm wanting to know If the calls ramped up, I'm

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searching for a number count of how many and

00:21:38.769 --> 00:21:43.390
if there were a lot leading up to the day that

00:21:43.390 --> 00:21:48.529
she, I think I can assume or speculate that she

00:21:48.529 --> 00:21:51.269
was kidnapped. That's where that question was

00:21:51.269 --> 00:21:54.789
rooted in. Yeah, so it wasn't reported like strict

00:21:54.789 --> 00:21:57.349
timelines. And I'm not sure if the family was

00:21:57.349 --> 00:22:01.529
recording it, you know, logging each call as

00:22:01.529 --> 00:22:05.250
it came in. But it does seem like to me there

00:22:05.250 --> 00:22:09.869
was ramping up in the caller's activity. We had

00:22:09.869 --> 00:22:13.130
him coming to her workplace. It does seem like

00:22:13.130 --> 00:22:16.750
he was calling her a lot at her job. And he went

00:22:16.750 --> 00:22:20.339
to her workplace and left that. dead red rose

00:22:20.339 --> 00:22:22.920
on her windshield and then was also threatening

00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:26.299
to kill her and cut her up into pieces so to

00:22:26.299 --> 00:22:29.339
me like you know getting that close to her and

00:22:29.339 --> 00:22:31.240
then calling like that all feels like really

00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.759
ramped up behavior almost as if like getting

00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:39.039
ready for this big act yeah that makes sense

00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:44.000
I mean the description reminds me of an almost

00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:49.200
of an animal the the stalk before the kill But

00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.539
I don't know, it feels shameful to equate it

00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:53.900
to an animal because animals would be ashamed

00:22:53.900 --> 00:22:57.319
of the way we treat each other. To get back into

00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:02.779
the timeline of the actual day she went missing

00:23:02.779 --> 00:23:06.980
and or was kidnapped, I know she was with coworkers

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:12.000
and that they stopped at her parents' house before

00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.019
they went to the hospital. Do you know the timeline

00:23:15.019 --> 00:23:18.519
on that? I know she changed scarves and that

00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:23.440
was of note, but what I'm trying to find out

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.220
about that space of time was did she receive

00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:30.740
a call while she was at her parents' house within

00:23:30.740 --> 00:23:35.900
that moment of time? It's a great question. It

00:23:35.900 --> 00:23:38.380
was never reported that there was a phone call

00:23:38.380 --> 00:23:43.599
during that brief period. The only kind of phone

00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:47.119
call that's kind of reported that night is the

00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.359
anonymous caller says that Dorothy called him,

00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:54.619
which Pam maintained didn't happen. But it doesn't

00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:57.500
appear that a phone call was made that evening

00:23:57.500 --> 00:24:01.599
that Dorothy got at least. OK, so they get to

00:24:01.599 --> 00:24:05.480
the hospital. Conrad is triaged and Dorothy and

00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.519
Pam are waiting in the waiting room. My question

00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:13.900
for you. now is, do you think that someone was

00:24:13.900 --> 00:24:19.500
just watching her that entire time? I mean, stalkers

00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:22.779
are, when they are committed to stalking, they

00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:26.839
are very, very good at what they do. And to me,

00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:31.339
it seems like someone was just watching her.

00:24:32.299 --> 00:24:35.039
That's where my mind went immediately, and I'm

00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:38.559
curious to know if you thought or felt something

00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:45.740
similar. Yeah. To me, it definitely feels as

00:24:45.740 --> 00:24:49.640
if the stalker was trailing her car, following

00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:52.259
her after the meeting and, oh, she's going somewhere

00:24:52.259 --> 00:24:54.299
different now. She's going to the hospital, you

00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:59.319
know, like I can see that happening. And while

00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:01.759
it is like a little bit of speculation, I also

00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.680
think that it's not like police say that they

00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.619
believe the caller is also the murderer. And

00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:13.529
to me. I do think that Dorothy was likely kidnapped

00:25:13.529 --> 00:25:17.730
in the parking lot. It was the first moment she

00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:22.609
was really alone and outside of people. You know,

00:25:22.609 --> 00:25:26.049
she was next to Pam the entire time. But even

00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:27.890
when she had gone to the bathroom and was just

00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:29.430
moving through the hospital, there still would

00:25:29.430 --> 00:25:32.130
have been people even at an early hour moving

00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:35.569
around. So the parking lot was the first time

00:25:35.569 --> 00:25:40.500
she was probably really alone. That's when I

00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:43.359
think they struck. Of course, that's speculation.

00:25:43.460 --> 00:25:46.799
We're not exactly sure what the details are,

00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.259
but he found her at the hospital. I don't know

00:25:50.259 --> 00:25:58.960
how, but he did. I mean, people who stalk, you

00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.519
know, make it their full -time job, I think.

00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:08.069
Stalking cases really scare me, so I don't spend

00:26:08.069 --> 00:26:13.029
a lot of time doing my own investigation into

00:26:13.029 --> 00:26:17.170
them. But I think if someone is consumed with

00:26:17.170 --> 00:26:20.190
stalking someone, then you probably know their

00:26:20.190 --> 00:26:27.069
every move. When Conrad is discharged and he

00:26:27.069 --> 00:26:32.109
and Pam exit the hospital, And the car, you know,

00:26:32.130 --> 00:26:34.730
comes careening around and speeds away from them.

00:26:35.430 --> 00:26:39.670
I'm curious on what your thoughts are on who

00:26:39.670 --> 00:26:43.630
was driving. Did they see her? I can't remember

00:26:43.630 --> 00:26:48.710
if you said that or not. So they said they couldn't

00:26:48.710 --> 00:26:51.029
see who the driver was because the headlights

00:26:51.029 --> 00:26:53.230
were on. So they were kind of blinded by that.

00:26:54.390 --> 00:27:00.500
And just personally, I think that. It's the stalker

00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:04.240
that's driving the car at this point. We know

00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.779
that later the car is found in flames. So it

00:27:07.779 --> 00:27:12.079
seems like, you know, whoever took the car like

00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.019
needs to get rid of the car and the evidence

00:27:14.019 --> 00:27:18.400
of the car. So to me that that would place that

00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.259
somebody was in that car that shouldn't have

00:27:20.259 --> 00:27:24.140
been. That's interesting to me because how it

00:27:24.140 --> 00:27:27.940
played out in my head is that she was driving.

00:27:28.589 --> 00:27:31.190
And that someone else was in the passenger seat

00:27:31.190 --> 00:27:36.009
calling the shots by whatever means necessary.

00:27:36.369 --> 00:27:39.970
That's just my brain speculating. And it could

00:27:39.970 --> 00:27:46.130
be a number of possibilities. But again, just

00:27:46.130 --> 00:27:50.970
to emphasize, I think that this is a fresh case

00:27:50.970 --> 00:27:54.150
to you and I. And we both have different perspectives

00:27:54.150 --> 00:27:58.569
on what the perpetrator of this crime feels.

00:27:58.430 --> 00:28:01.650
Could have been doing or perpetrators. Yeah.

00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:04.710
And I think what you say makes total sense, too.

00:28:05.069 --> 00:28:08.029
I think ultimately it comes down to somebody

00:28:08.029 --> 00:28:10.089
was in the car that shouldn't have been. That

00:28:10.089 --> 00:28:12.509
wasn't Dorothy. That wasn't Pam. That wasn't

00:28:12.509 --> 00:28:16.930
Conrad. Somebody else was in that car and they

00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:19.349
had to torch it ultimately to get rid of it.

00:28:20.490 --> 00:28:23.250
Going back into the timeline of when they put

00:28:23.250 --> 00:28:27.220
the bolo out on her. I'm curious to know why

00:28:27.220 --> 00:28:33.119
the police asked her parents to not say anything

00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:36.319
to the press or to the media. This I'm not sure

00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:38.740
about. You know, I think today people know it's

00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:40.980
pretty standard that you need to get the media

00:28:40.980 --> 00:28:45.000
involved for missing people to get the most eyes

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:51.309
searching for the person as possible. Things

00:28:51.309 --> 00:28:53.829
were different. This was also the university

00:28:53.829 --> 00:28:57.789
police handling the case, and I'm not sure how

00:28:57.789 --> 00:29:00.250
much their department had handled as far as missing

00:29:00.250 --> 00:29:05.509
people up until this point. So personally, I

00:29:05.509 --> 00:29:09.329
think that was a huge misstep of not getting

00:29:09.329 --> 00:29:13.369
her case out there quicker and getting it in

00:29:13.369 --> 00:29:17.150
the media. That's my two cents on it. Yeah, it's

00:29:17.150 --> 00:29:23.130
also bad press. for whatever institution is being

00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:27.630
reported on. I would imagine, especially knowing

00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:30.869
now that it was university police, I mean, we

00:29:30.869 --> 00:29:32.710
don't need to get into it, but it seems like

00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:37.890
politics could be involved in that and that it

00:29:37.890 --> 00:29:41.390
doesn't look great for an institution when a

00:29:41.390 --> 00:29:44.609
woman goes missing on their property. Oh, for

00:29:44.609 --> 00:29:46.970
sure. I think that could also play into that

00:29:46.970 --> 00:29:51.130
here as well. So the phone calls start rolling

00:29:51.130 --> 00:29:56.049
in and you spoke about two, the one where the

00:29:56.049 --> 00:29:58.990
caller said, I've got her, and the other one

00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:03.529
where the caller said, I killed her. Do you think

00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:07.809
it's possible that those phone calls could have

00:30:07.809 --> 00:30:11.369
also been hoaxes because there is traction and

00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:19.160
media attention around Dorothy's case now? I

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.539
thought about. The parents do seem convinced

00:30:21.539 --> 00:30:26.140
that the caller that they got is the same one

00:30:26.140 --> 00:30:28.680
that was calling Dorothy. I don't know if maybe

00:30:28.680 --> 00:30:31.119
they ever heard it, but they made the comments

00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:35.559
that it was like the same voice. So that leads

00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:38.480
me to believe they believe it's the same person.

00:30:40.509 --> 00:30:42.970
And then for it to go on for years, that's like

00:30:42.970 --> 00:30:45.650
such a commitment with the parents, you know,

00:30:45.650 --> 00:30:50.470
as far as the call to the newspaper editor. I

00:30:50.470 --> 00:30:54.869
do think still that it was the killer. But like,

00:30:54.890 --> 00:30:57.710
you know, it's also like it could be a hoax,

00:30:57.710 --> 00:31:00.930
you know, like killers reaching out to the media

00:31:00.930 --> 00:31:03.470
was like something that was like happening throughout

00:31:03.470 --> 00:31:06.049
the 70s and whatnot. So like maybe somebody was

00:31:06.049 --> 00:31:07.849
going to get like a little tickle out of this,

00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:11.720
but. It was all like so pointed and specific

00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:15.099
that it feels like the same person from the reporting.

00:31:15.200 --> 00:31:18.039
Like none of them really stood out as different,

00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:21.799
if that makes sense. Yeah, that makes total sense.

00:31:21.900 --> 00:31:25.839
I, you know, I only heard you say the information

00:31:25.839 --> 00:31:29.619
about the callers once. So I think I'm asking

00:31:29.619 --> 00:31:34.779
more for clarification's sake. I know that police.

00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:39.839
come up with three men of persons of interest

00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:43.099
three men of interest is there any more information

00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:49.240
on who those people might be no we're never really

00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.519
given information we hear that they're looking

00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:55.900
at these three men but then years later when

00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:58.380
her body is found you know they say they have

00:31:58.380 --> 00:32:01.799
no suspects at that time so I don't know if those

00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:05.339
three men had been ruled out completely or, you

00:32:05.339 --> 00:32:08.740
know, if they just never got any more information

00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:11.920
or never really got anywhere with them. But it

00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.680
does make me wonder who those three people are

00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.519
and where they came from in Dorothy's life. Yeah.

00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:22.400
And that leads me to my follow up question, which

00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:26.359
is, are her co -workers ever interviewed in depth

00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.990
or? I don't know if investigated is the right

00:32:29.990 --> 00:32:32.009
word, but I'm curious to know more about that.

00:32:33.369 --> 00:32:36.789
So it does seem like Conrad and Pam are questioned

00:32:36.789 --> 00:32:39.049
quite a bit since they were the last ones with

00:32:39.049 --> 00:32:42.190
her there at the hospital. But then beyond that,

00:32:42.349 --> 00:32:46.309
I'm not really sure. And, you know, I think that

00:32:46.309 --> 00:32:50.480
is like a really valid place to like ask because

00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.920
she was getting the calls at her work. I kept

00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.980
coming back to that, like that someone would

00:32:54.980 --> 00:32:57.960
kind of know her work schedule and then like

00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.859
know that she went to the hospital. It just it

00:33:00.859 --> 00:33:04.420
feels like it could be somebody connected to

00:33:04.420 --> 00:33:07.220
the job in some way, if not a coworker, a friend

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:09.880
of a coworker that just kind of hears what's

00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:14.400
going on. But I would be curious if anybody was

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.740
looked at. her coworkers more seriously as a

00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:21.779
suspect. Yeah. Or even just a coworker feeding

00:33:21.779 --> 00:33:26.319
information to someone else. I think that like

00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.240
an accomplice in a sense, I think that that's

00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:33.099
an absolute possibility. That's like you, my

00:33:33.099 --> 00:33:37.519
mind went to that end as well. I do have another

00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:39.599
question and I hate to bring them up because

00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.470
honestly, fuck this guy. But Joseph D 'Angelo,

00:33:43.569 --> 00:33:47.430
do you think there is any possibility that this

00:33:47.430 --> 00:33:52.450
is a Golden State Killer kill? You know, from

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:56.170
what I know of the Golden State Killer, he really

00:33:56.170 --> 00:34:01.349
seemed to like attacking people in their homes.

00:34:01.450 --> 00:34:03.369
Like that's one thing kind of again and again

00:34:03.369 --> 00:34:06.210
he's caught doing. He's the peeping Tom. He's

00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:09.130
doing all of that. That's my understanding of

00:34:09.130 --> 00:34:14.159
like his M .O. a little bit. Whereas here, there

00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.900
was months and months of stalking behavior, the

00:34:17.900 --> 00:34:22.199
phone calls. I know the Golden State Killer maybe

00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.460
made a couple phone calls, but these repeated

00:34:26.460 --> 00:34:29.659
phone calls and then for years later to continually

00:34:29.659 --> 00:34:33.699
call the parents, that just seems so specific

00:34:33.699 --> 00:34:39.559
and targeted that it feels wildly different than

00:34:39.559 --> 00:34:43.760
anything else. He did. And I agree with you.

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:48.119
I just, you know, there are unfortunately so

00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:51.980
many serial killers around that time, that time

00:34:51.980 --> 00:34:56.320
period that were making the papers. So I think

00:34:56.320 --> 00:34:59.260
just because, you know, the time he was most

00:34:59.260 --> 00:35:04.039
active, I think you got to bring him up. Yeah.

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:10.219
And I think the chaos of that time. could help

00:35:10.219 --> 00:35:13.019
Dorothy's killer, like you said earlier, kind

00:35:13.019 --> 00:35:16.159
of go under the radar and, you know, her case

00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:20.619
not get as much media attention. But hopefully

00:35:20.619 --> 00:35:23.639
in the future, we're able to get answers. You

00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:25.800
know, we saw the Golden State killer be brought

00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:28.739
to justice and those cases get closed. So I do

00:35:28.739 --> 00:35:30.739
think that there is still a chance for justice

00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:34.599
here. So again, if you know anything about the

00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.940
murder of Dorothy Jane Scott in May of 1980,

00:35:38.710 --> 00:35:40.710
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00:35:40.710 --> 00:35:47.610
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00:35:47.610 --> 00:35:50.730
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