Cold and Missing: Esther ‘Lizette’ Galaz

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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and

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Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. All

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parties mentioned are considered innocent until

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proven guilty in a court of law. Cold and Missing

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also contains adult themes and languages. Listener

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discretion is advised. I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin

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-Sulkowski. And I'm your co -host, Eli Sulkowski.

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

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cold cases and missing person cases. Hello, everyone,

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and welcome back to Cold and Missing. I'm your

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host, Ali, and it will just be me coming to

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you this week. Eli is a little busy with some

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other projects, but he will be back with us again

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next week. But I wanted to go ahead and bring

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you this week's case. I didn't want to take a

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week off because if you'll remember last week,

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we talked about the missing person case of Karen

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Grajeda. And towards the end of the timeline,

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I mentioned that there is a cold case that goes

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kind of hand in hand with Karen's case. So that's

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the cold case that we're going to be talking

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about today for episode 125. So just as a bit

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of a content warning at the top, this case does

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involve a young person and there are mentions

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of sexual assault. Today, we are talking about

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the cold case of Esther Lizette Galaz. and this

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takes place in December of 1994 in Tucson, Arizona.

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But first, a little bit about Esther. Esther

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goes mostly by her middle name of Lizette, but

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her siblings call her Junior since she is named

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after her mother, Esther. I'll just refer to

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her as Lizette throughout the podcast, so if

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I mention Esther, I'm talking about her mother.

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Lizette is six years old in 1994. She and her

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family, that included four other siblings, had

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recently moved to the Bella Verda apartment complex

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a few weeks before the timeline starts. She lived

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there with her siblings, two brothers and two

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sisters, and her mother, Esther, and her mother's

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boyfriend, Martin Lopez. While Esther and Martin

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were not married, he acted like a stepfather

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to Lizette. Lizette is a rambunctious little

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girl. Her aunt says, quote, She likes to sing

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and dance. There was one song she liked to sing

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in Spanish a lot. It's called Tengo Celos. She

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likes to sing and move her body around to the

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music. She was a loving child. She was always

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friendly and she loved her siblings and peers

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her own age. She liked school a lot. End quote.

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Lizette is a popular student at Prince Elementary

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School. One of her teachers described her as,

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quote, she had a strong little spirit. She had

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the greatest smile in the world. She was also

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so concerned about everyone in the class, including

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me. If someone would fall down, she would go

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over to them, bring them to me, and want to take

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care of them and get them a drink of water. If

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I needed help in class, she was there. End quote.

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At this time in 1994, Lizette is three and a

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half feet tall, has long brown hair, and brown

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eyes. And now, a timeline of events. On Monday,

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December 19th, 1994, Lizette had a normal day

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at school. When she got home from school, she

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immediately heads outside to play with kids in

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the apartment complex. She stops by the Lessard's

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apartment around 4 p .m. to ask if their son

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could come out and play, but the little boy wasn't

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home, so Lizette hung around for a minute eating

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cookies before heading back outside to find someone

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to play with. While at the neighbor's apartment,

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her mother's boyfriend Martin walks by. He gives

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her a quick kiss and keeps walking towards the

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family's apartment. Lizette eventually finds

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her friend Amber to play with. They spent the

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afternoon playing school and laughing on the

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swings. As it began to get darker outside, she

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waved goodbye to her friend and headed home.

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Amber says that when she said goodbye to Lizette,

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She saw her run towards a blonde woman near the

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convenience store next to the apartments. The

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convenience store is going to come up a lot in

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this timeline, so I just want to take a quick

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second to talk about it. The location of the

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convenience store is right next to the apartments.

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It is very, very close. They practically share

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a parking lot, and if your apartment was on the

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side closest to the convenience store, It's likely

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your apartment would be closer to the convenience

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store than other apartments in the complex, just

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to paint a picture a little bit. Lizette eventually

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did wander inside her apartment right around

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6 p .m. She immediately asked her mom if she

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could go back outside to play. Esther says no.

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It was getting dark and the temperature was starting

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to fall. Esther then put her 11 -year -old son

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in charge. She needed to run to the convenience

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store to make a quick phone call on the payphone.

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Esther takes one of Lizette's younger sisters

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with her to the store. After a few minutes, Lizette

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announced to her brother that she wanted to go

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with her mother and left the apartment. Again,

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the store is very, very close to the apartment

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complex, so it would not have been strange for

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Lizette to run after her mom. Only around five

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to ten minutes pass by before Esther returns

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back to the apartment. Lizette's not there. When

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Esther asks her son where Lizette is, he says

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that she wanted to go to the store with her.

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Esther turns around and heads back outside to

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look for Lizette since she hadn't run into her

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at the store or coming back. When she didn't

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immediately find her daughter, she asks for more

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help in the search. When the whole family comes

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up empty, Esther calls 911 around 8 p .m. to

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report Lizette missing. Esther says, quote, my

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son said she went out. We went looking for her,

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and the neighbors went looking for her. After

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two hours, I called the cops. End quote. Police

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arrive and start searching the complex. They

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start knocking on other unit doors, asking if

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anyone had seen her. As hours continue to tick

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on, police decide to alert the media to get Lizette's

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picture out there around 10 .15 p .m. Initially,

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police think that Lizette just wandered away

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from the apartment. maybe running to catch up

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with her mother or to play with kids in the complex.

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However, Lizette had never wandered away from

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home before. And as the minutes tick on and it

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gets colder and colder, police worry about the

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temperature and that something nefarious had

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happened. While it had been in the mid -70s during

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the day, it was dropping down to 40 degrees at

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night. We do know that police locate two young

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witnesses. The kids say that they saw a girl

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matching Lizette's description talking to a man

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in a light blue or gray small pickup truck. An

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argument was happening between them. The man

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seemed to force the little girl into the truck.

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Police take this sighting seriously. The kids

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were not together. They saw it from different

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vantage points and described a similar event.

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As it turns into Tuesday, December 20th, Police

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believe that something more serious has happened.

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They continue to look for Lizette through the

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night. However, no sign of the little girl is

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found. Captain Lyle Mann says, quote, it's like

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she went up in smoke. We've not discounted anything.

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We're very concerned foul play may be involved,

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end quote. As the morning breaks, a full search

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is launched. Helicopters and scent dogs are brought

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in to help aid the searchers. Police are going

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door to door through the apartment complex and

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doing the same at six other apartment complexes

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nearby. The search lasts all morning and into

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the afternoon. Around 4 .15 p .m., a man who

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wasn't with Lizette's search effort, he was just

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out walking his dogs. He was walking them through

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a vacant lot that was about half a mile away

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from where Lizette lived. In the lot was a dry

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desert wash, and when he was walking his dogs

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through there, he found a discarded mattress.

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When the man looked under the mattress, he made

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a horrible discovery. The little body of Lizette

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is found. The police block the area and begin

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processing. Quickly, they change the case to

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a homicide investigation. Police refuse to comment

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on the state of her body at this time or a possible

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cause of death. They want to wait for an autopsy

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report. The next day, Wednesday, December 21st,

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Lizette's autopsy is conducted. Police initially

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refused to comment on the cause of death, but

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eventually it's leaked and then confirmed by

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police that Lizette had been sexually assaulted

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and died from a result of blunt force trauma

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to the head. The autopsy puts her time of death

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somewhere between 8 p .m. Monday night. and noon

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on Tuesday the next day. So she was last seen

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around 6 p .m. on Monday and then found around

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4 .15 on Tuesday. Police do bring her mother

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and her mother's boyfriend downtown for questioning.

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However, they're released after four hours, and

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police will eventually clear the family of any

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involvement in the crime. A friend of Lizette's

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does come forward to say that Lizette was at

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their house until 7 p .m. That would have been

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about an hour after she was last seen. This sighting

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is only mentioned once, and it's unclear if police

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ever ruled this out. Pretty quickly, police make

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a connection between Lizette's case and the sexual

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assault of three young girls in 1993. We talked

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about this a bit last week. Police make the connection

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because the description of the assaulter in those

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cases matches the description of the man who

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was seen forcing the young girl into his truck.

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A major difference, however, is that in the 1993

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cases, all of the girls were let go after the

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assault. On Monday, December 26th, the day after

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Christmas and a week after she was last seen,

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Lizette's memorial is held. The community donates

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to cover the expenses of the funeral for the

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family. And the next day, December 27th, she

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is laid to rest. As the weeks pass by, police

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say that they chase down hundreds of leads and

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rule them out. By mid -January 1995, police say

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that they have no suspects. The FBI agreed to

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create a profile for the suspect, but that's

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never released to the public. The case appears

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to go cold quickly. The one -year anniversary

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comes around in December of 1995, and police

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have no new information to share on the case.

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Police still say that the witnesses who saw the

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man force the girl in the truck is their strongest

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lead, but police do acknowledge that it could

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have been a father and a daughter having an argument

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and not related to Lizette at all. Police beg

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the public that if anyone has any information,

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to please come forward. In January of 1996, so

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just over the one -year mark of Lizette's murder,

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Karen Grejeda goes missing, who we covered in

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our last episode. Both Karen and Lizette look

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similar. They're both young Hispanic girls and

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live on the south side of Tucson in apartment

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complexes. In January of 1997, over two years

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since Lizette's murder, and Rodolfo Ceteno Morales

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is arrested for the sexual assaults in 1993.

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Police begin looking at him to see if he could

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be involved in Lizette's murder, since he does

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match the description of the man seen forcing

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a girl into his truck. In December of 1997, at

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the three -year anniversary, through donations

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in the community, Lizette's headstone is placed

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at her grave. In April of 1998, nearly three

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and a half years after the murder, Morales is

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found guilty on five kidnapping charges and three

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sexual assault charges. He is sentenced to 248

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years in prison. He maintains that he did not

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have anything to do with Lizette's murder. After

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this, there's not a lot of updates on Lizette's

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case. The next big update comes in 2023, so at

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this point it's been over 30 years since Lizette's

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murder. And it appears that the police have been

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working quietly on her case in the background,

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using advances in DNA technology to try to get

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more information. Detective Miller gives the

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following statement in 2023. And just as a heads

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up, he calls Lizette Esther throughout this next

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statement. Quote, in the initial investigation,

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there were some child witnesses that described

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a male talking to Esther near the convenience

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store where her mom had gone and Esther was called

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out by name and Esther went and got into the

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truck. So a lot of media coverage on that. Further

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advanced forensics have been completed and different,

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more modern investigation techniques have been

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used over the last five years to develop a potentially

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another suspect. That doesn't match the description

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that the children initially gave. They're small

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kids. Their memories change. The descriptions

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are different. And it's likely that the suspect

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is not a Hispanic male, which was originally

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thought to be. So we're broadening our suspect

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search. Unfortunately, technology can't take

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us all the way there. It's going to have to be

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knocking on the doors, the old traditional type

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of police work that may potentially lead us down

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the road to identifying the suspect. We're hopeful.

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These are still cases that people remember. They're

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not solved, and it's our hope that by the time

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we finish our careers here, that we can either

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get a result and a resolution by identifying

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a suspect, potentially prosecuting that suspect,

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and giving some course of justice to the family.

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End quote. Police don't release any further information

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and there hasn't been any new updates or developments

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in Lizette's case since then. So if you know

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anything about the murder of Esther Lizette Galaz,

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please call 888 -CRIME at 520 -882 -7463. So

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that is the case of Esther Lizette Galaz. I found

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this case when I found Karen's case last week.

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As I've mentioned at the beginning of the podcast

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and in last week's podcast, these two cases are

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talked about by Tucson police together. They're

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kind of grouped together. And while there's no

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direct evidence to suggest that the crimes are

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related, police are investigating them as if

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they are. Looking at a map of Tucson, Karen...

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And Lizette lived only about a 15 -minute drive

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away from each other. So pretty close, all things

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considered, on the same side of town. But in

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learning about Lizette's case, I was really shocked

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that I didn't know about them. I'm really shocked

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I don't know about these cases, that they really

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hadn't come to my attention before I started

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digging into them myself. Just these two young

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girls in very similar circumstances. I'm sure

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if you listened to last week's episode, you picked

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up on some of the similarities of the case. And

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again, while they may be related, they may not

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be related. There are definitely some like themes

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that just stand out. Even down to like, you know,

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them living in the apartment complex. Both the

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girls running outside to play and kind of running

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in and out of their apartment. Like we know.

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In this case, Lizette is there at 6 p .m., asked

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to go back outside. Her mom says no. And then

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a few minutes later, Lizette is gone. You know,

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she runs out the door, assumingly going towards

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her mother in the convenience store, but that's

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really the last we know. The last firm sighting

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at this point is Lizette leaving the apartment.

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This case has a lot of unanswered questions,

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obviously. burns in my mind or that I keep coming

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back to was the the sighting of Lizette at another

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apartment around 7 p .m. Like I mentioned in

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the timeline this is only mentioned once but

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it's mentioned quickly following Lizette's disappearance

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so this isn't coming you know years later or

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anything like that this was coming I believe

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the day after this person came forward and said,

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you know, Lizette was at my apartment until 7.

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I don't know if parents also saw Lizette there

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or if it was just her friend. How old is the

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friend? I don't have any of those details. And

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I think those details would give us a lot of

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information. But I am curious if just this has

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been ruled out and it's just not part of the

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narrative or if. Police do think that she might

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have stopped by a friend's apartment just one

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more time to try to keep playing. I would be

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really curious to know if that went anywhere.

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One thing that feels frustrating about this case

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is that for so long, the suspect was described

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as this Hispanic male. And a suspect sketch was

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used that promoted this image of this man. scene

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forcing a girl into his truck or arguing with

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a girl. The story has changed a little bit over

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the years. But again and again, that suspect

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is named. And I think with good reason. Police

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really did believe the two child witnesses. They

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were at different points in the apartment and

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saw the same thing. So for so long, there was

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this very specific search of a Hispanic male.

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But now, In 2023, police are saying the suspect

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is likely not Hispanic. I think what police have

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done, I don't know this for sure if this is exactly

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the testing they've done, but to me it sounds

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like they do have DNA and they were able to run

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a phenotype DNA test. So this, from my understanding,

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which is very limited, would be more of like,

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you know, a 23andMe. where it can give you the

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origins of your DNA. So I think that's what was

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done here. We've seen this done in some other

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cases we've covered. So I think that is what

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would give police, you know, that they are not

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looking for Hispanic male. You know, he doesn't

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have the DNA for it. But, you know, they don't

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have any specifics like weight, age, height,

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you know, those like real specifics. So it really

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feels like... There was a lot of time lost kind

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of looking in the wrong direction, the complete

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wrong direction. I assume if there is a DNA,

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you know, profile that's been made, that it's

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been entered into all the databases and there

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hasn't been a hit, which is kind of surprising.

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You would think that somebody who commits a crime

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like this would reoffend somewhere down the line

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and have their DNA taken. This is one of those

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cases where it's like I wonder, you know, all

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of the backlogs, just backlogs and backlogs and

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backlogs of rape kits sitting in police departments.

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If somewhere in those, you know, there's another

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match and more information and another case.

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I am hopeful in this case that since we do have

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DNA that we will get some answers down the line.

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Lizette's family still want to know what happened

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to her. They want justice. They want answers.

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They want to know who did this to their loved

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one. And also, someone needs to answer for what

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they did to Lizette. It's horrible what happened

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to this little girl. And nobody should be able

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to do that and not have to answer for why they

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did that. So what I hope in this case, what I

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want in this case for the family is that they

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get the answers that they need and that they

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want and that justice is served for Lizette.

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Because whoever did this to her does not need

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to be walking out free. The person who did this

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is horrible, is horrible. So they do not need

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to be out there. They do not need to be around

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children. They do not need to be around people.

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Lizette seems like such a wonderful, wonderful

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child. And we, the world, lost out on having

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Lizette and seeing her impact fully. You know,

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just in the six years that she was here, she

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made a huge impact on her family, her community,

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her friends, her school. Every journey she would

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have gone on, like all the impacts she could

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have made in her life. And it's not fair that

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the world was robbed of the opportunity to see

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Lizette grow and shine. But again, if you know

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anything about the murder of Lizette Galaz in

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December of 1994 in Tucson, Arizona, please call

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888 -CRIME at 520 -882 -7463. We will have pictures

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of Lizette on our Instagram at coldandmissing.

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You can follow us there and see the photos. Unfortunately,

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there's not a lot of photos of her, but I was

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able to dig up some really great ones of her.

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So please look, please share, share her case.

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your community, in your network. People really

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need to know Lizette's name and hear her story.

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And we need to get more buzz about her case.

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I think that there is some momentum with police,

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you know, reopening the investigation, working

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on it quietly. But I think if we can get that

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media attention, that momentum here, that it

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will just continue to give resources to this

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case. And working Lizette's case is ultimately

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going to be working Karen's case as well. So,

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you know, I just think that this is a great place

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for police to put resources, to put time, to

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put people, to try to bring closure to the family,

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to the community. So please check out Lizette's

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picture share it that's the whole goal here and

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in and it's been so heartwarming and humbling

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