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Cold and Missing: Fiona Yu

Cold and Missing: Fiona Yu
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Cold and Missing

This week we cover the cold case of Fiona Yu. Fiona, a 21-year-old college student, was found partially clothed and clinging to life in her apartment hallway by her roommate. She was rushed to the hospital but passed away shortly after. The autopsy confirmed that she died of strangulation and was sexual assaulted. Police initially have a few good suspects but none of them pan out. The case remains unsolved, but police are using new DNA technology to create a composite of the suspect.

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,760 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,240 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:24,520 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Solkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,560 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,920 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:37,920 I'm Ali. 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:38,920 And I'm Eli. 11 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:39,920 Welcome back everyone. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,480 I just wanted to take a quick second at the top here just to say thank you to everybody 13 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:45,800 who's been listening. 14 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,200 If you're new here, if you've been with us for a while, thank you so much. 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,320 We've had a really outstanding January. 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,720 It's been our highest number of listens. 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,640 So thank you so much for just being a part of it and telling your friends and rating 18 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,080 us and reviewing us. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,080 It means so much. 20 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,040 It's such an honor to be a part of your week. 21 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,480 Yeah, it's really exciting to see how many people are coming over to the podcast and 22 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:14,120 just listening and that, you know, our little podcast continues to do what it's meant to 23 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,720 do, which is get these cases and names out there, which brings us all to this week's 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,560 episode, which is a cold case. 25 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,280 Yes, we are on a cold case this week. 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,600 All right, let's jump into it. 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,000 So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does have mentions of sexual 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 assault. 29 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,880 Today, we are going to be talking about the cold case of Fiona Yu. 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,800 And this takes place in August of 1997 in Tempe, Arizona. 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:46,000 But first, a little bit about Fiona. 32 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Fiona is 21 years old in 1997. 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:53,840 She was a senior at Arizona State University majoring in accounting. 34 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,400 Fiona was a dedicated student. 35 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:01,080 She was always in her books and doing her homework according to family and friends. 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,520 On top of her classes, she also worked part-time at the university gift shop. 37 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:11,120 Her friends and family describe her as a sweet, friendly, trusting to a fault and a little 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,620 bit naive. 39 00:02:12,620 --> 00:02:17,760 Fiona lived off campus in the Cypress Gardens apartments with her roommate, Kazoo Aito, 40 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,120 and her boyfriend, Tony Satterwhite. 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,160 That's Kazoo's boyfriend, not Fiona's. 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,520 Fiona had just met someone special too, though. 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,240 He worked at a topless bar in town, and the two had been seeing each other for only a 44 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,240 few weeks. 45 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,520 Her friends were wary of her new relationship. 46 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,640 Tony Satterwhite said, quote, he didn't look like the type of guy for her. 47 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:40,760 He just looked like a bully sort of guy. 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,320 He looked like he could manipulate Fiona, unquote. 49 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,160 And now, a timeline of events. 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:53,520 On Monday, August 4, 1997, Fiona was seen by a neighbor riding her bike near East Lemon 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,680 Street and South Terrace Road in Tempe. 52 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,280 This is just around the corner from where her apartment was located. 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,320 According to Google Maps, it would take a minute or less than to bike there from where 54 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,800 she was last seen. 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:10,600 The neighbor said he saw her between 4 and 4.30 that afternoon. 56 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,080 Fiona's roommate arrived home at around 5.15. 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,440 Their apartment was two stories. 58 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:21,120 It's like the apartment version of Row Houses, with about nine apartments all next to each 59 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,080 other, sharing walls. 60 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,160 When Kazoo arrived home, she stayed on the first floor for a while. 61 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,440 After about 45 minutes, she started to get a bad feeling and decided to check out the 62 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,840 apartment and go upstairs. 63 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,000 It's there that she finds Fiona in the hallway. 64 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,600 She's partially clothed. 65 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Her pants had been lowered and her shirt was removed. 66 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 She had injuries to her head and neck. 67 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,800 There were blood stains on her body and Fiona is clinging to life. 68 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:53,480 Kazoo calls 911 and Fiona is rushed to St. Luke's Hospital, but she passes away shortly 69 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:55,320 after she arrives. 70 00:03:55,320 --> 00:04:00,400 As the case shifts to a homicide investigation, police begin to process the scene. 71 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,840 There are no signs of forced entry at the apartment. 72 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,640 The blood that was found on her body will be tested and later determined that it was 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,440 not Fiona's blood, so the blood must have come from the killer. 74 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:17,160 The next day, Tuesday, August 5, Fiona's autopsy is conducted by the Maricopa Medical 75 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,400 Examiner's office. 76 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 The autopsy confirms what police had suspected. 77 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,520 Fiona died of strangulation and she was sexually assaulted. 78 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,880 Police begin looking for her boyfriend so they can question him. 79 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,280 They don't consider him a suspect at this time, but Sergeant Toby Dias says, quote, 80 00:04:34,280 --> 00:04:35,920 We want to talk to him. 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,720 Find out what he knows, end quote. 82 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,280 I assume that police are able to find him and talk to him. 83 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:46,360 Years later, they will confirm in the media that he was cleared as a suspect altogether. 84 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,760 On Friday, August 8, just four days after her murder, Fiona is laid to rest in tempeh. 85 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:58,120 Now, there's not much coverage after the initial murder, but on September 14 and 15 86 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:03,600 of 1997, that same year, it's been just over a month since Fiona was murdered. 87 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,120 There are two separate attacks of ASU students. 88 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Both of the women survived, but they are sexually assaulted and strangled to the point of passing 89 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 out, and one is cut with scissors on her legs. 90 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,640 The media and police are interested to see if these attacks are related to Fiona's murder, 91 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:21,800 given the similarities. 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,920 Tempeh police say, quote, We aren't ruling it out, but we aren't ruling it in either. 93 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,120 Right now, it's too soon to say whether they're related, but our detectives are comparing 94 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,600 notes with their detectives, end quote. 95 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:40,640 About a week later, on September 22, two teenagers from tempeh high school are arrested 96 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:45,960 and charged with attempted murder, sexual assault, robbery, and kidnapping related to 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,040 the attacks on the other two ASU women. 98 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,520 Tempeh police are looking closely at the two teens to see if they are in any way connected 99 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,120 to Fiona's murder. 100 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,920 They plan to use DNA to either include or exclude the two teens as suspects. 101 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,720 On September 24, women of Arizona State University rally Wednesday afternoon to take back the 102 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:07,720 day. 103 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,480 They argue that they're not even safe during the day, so they can't take back the night 104 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:12,480 yet. 105 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,200 Fiona is honored at the rally. 106 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:20,080 They read poetry dedicated to her, and the women pushed for a bike path named after Fiona. 107 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,240 One of her last papers that she wrote was in support of more bike paths on campus. 108 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,200 Police also announced that day that one of the teenagers arrested is the prime suspect 109 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,600 in Fiona's murder. 110 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:36,240 The attorney for Maricopa County says, quote, He's the prime suspect in the matter. 111 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,720 We obtained a court order asking for the withdrawal of blood so we can compare it with DNA evidence, 112 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,720 end quote. 113 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,760 The teen suspect denies that he was involved in the murders altogether. 114 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:52,800 It takes months for the DNA analysis to come back, but on Monday, December 15, it's been 115 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:57,280 over four months now since Fiona was murdered, and the police announced that the DNA was 116 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:00,520 not a match for either teen suspect. 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:06,040 Police will continue to investigate the teens related to Fiona's murder, but years later, 118 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,840 police will announce that they are officially cleared of being involved. 119 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:15,200 In March of 1998, so it's been seven months since Fiona's murder, and there are still 120 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,040 no suspects in the case. 121 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:21,440 However, in Tempe, there is a man who appears to be stalking Asian women. 122 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:27,320 He has attempted to kidnap at least five women, but was unsuccessful in these attempts. 123 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,120 All of the women were able to run away to safety. 124 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Police search for the stalker and also want to know if he could be involved in Fiona's 125 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:35,440 murder. 126 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,720 And it's unclear if they are ever able to find this man or if the media coverage kind 127 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:47,440 of scares him off, because I couldn't find a resolution to what happened in this particular 128 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:48,600 instance. 129 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,920 But after that, you don't hear about Fiona's murder in the media hardly at all. 130 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:59,840 There is a true crime show in 2001 that covers her murder and gets it in the public awareness, 131 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:04,080 but still no real clues are developed from this according to police. 132 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,760 In October of 2006, so it's been over nine years since Fiona's murder, police say they 133 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,880 are reopening the case and taking an aggressive look at the case. 134 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:18,120 They believe that between the public's help and new DNA advances that they'll be able 135 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:22,880 to solve the case, police theorize that the suspect is still in the area. 136 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:28,080 Detective John Thompson is heading the investigation and says, quote, Fiona's family and friends 137 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,760 deserve answers in this case. 138 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:35,880 It's hard enough that they have been forced to know the what and the how of the incident, 139 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,920 so it's only fair that they be given the opportunity to know the why. 140 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:40,920 End quote. 141 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,120 Fiona's brother, Kevin, speaks on behalf of the family. 142 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:46,920 He says, quote, my parents will never get over it. 143 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:48,680 You can see that in their eyes. 144 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,720 In fact, none of us in the family can get over it. 145 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:52,800 End quote. 146 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,680 When speaking of his sister, Kevin says that his sister was too trusting. 147 00:08:56,680 --> 00:09:00,960 Quote, she was very good at heart, but had no street sense. 148 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,480 Maybe she met the wrong person. 149 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,360 I think it was premeditated in some ways. 150 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,360 End quote. 151 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:11,400 Police believe that the DNA will be crucial in this case and have tested several people. 152 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:16,360 Detective Thompson says, quote, at this time no matches have been linked to the sample. 153 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Biological samples have also been collected from numerous acquaintances of Fiona or suspicious 154 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,800 people in the area, but they too have come back with no match. 155 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,960 End quote. 156 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:32,520 In August of 2017, so it's been 20 years since Fiona was murdered. 157 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,640 Tempe Police have decided for the first time that they are going to try to use technology 158 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,720 called snapshot DNA phenotyping. 159 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:46,880 This basically takes the DNA sample and creates a composite of the person based on the DNA. 160 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:50,760 Detective Lily Durans says, quote, we are hoping that getting this composite sketch 161 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,400 would draw out people's memories. 162 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,400 End quote. 163 00:09:54,400 --> 00:10:00,960 This DNA testing or composite sketching isn't able to tell age, height, or weight of the 164 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,160 person who gave the sample, but it can tell police the skin color, ancestry, hair, and 165 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,600 eye color of the suspect. 166 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:17,280 Based off of the DNA, he is of Latino descent and he would have light brown skin, dark eyes, 167 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,400 dark brown eyes, and then brown hair. 168 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:26,080 That composite was released to the public, but as of 2024, there have been no arrests 169 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,880 in this case and no suspects named. 170 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:35,680 So with that, if you know anything about what happened to Fiona Yu in August of 1997, please 171 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:42,920 call the Tempe Police Department at 480-250-8311. 172 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:48,240 And the sources for the timeline today come from the Arizona Republic, the Tucson Sun, 173 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,120 and 12 News, so that is the case of Fiona Yu. 174 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,760 Thank you for bringing this case to us today. 175 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,480 As always, you know, I'm surprised that it's one that I don't know, but I'm grateful to 176 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,720 have learned about her today. 177 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,880 The description of what happened is, is, was startling. 178 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,520 It's just heartbreaking that that was, those were her last moments, you know. 179 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,820 I have always just like questions for you. 180 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:18,560 What are your thoughts and opinions? 181 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:21,480 Do you, do you, do you have a suspect, I guess? 182 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,360 I don't have a suspect in this case. 183 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:29,400 DNA was used to kind of rule out what seemed like the obvious people in the beginning, 184 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,800 you know, the boyfriend and then these two teens who committed similar attacks just a 185 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,440 few weeks later. 186 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:42,520 But I do agree with her brother that it was probably somebody that knew her and maybe 187 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:47,920 knew her schedule a little bit because the timeframe, like the window of time for the 188 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,640 crime to be committed before her roommate comes home is pretty small. 189 00:11:52,640 --> 00:12:01,640 It's, it can vary if she got home around four, that gives an hour and 15 minutes before her 190 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,760 roommate shows up. 191 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,280 But if she got home at 430, that leaves a half hour and you know, kind of everywhere 192 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,280 in between. 193 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,720 So it seems like it was somebody who knew the layout, knew how to get in, how to get 194 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:19,120 out without really being seen and maybe knew her and her roommate's schedule. 195 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,840 That's just what I have come to. 196 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:27,200 That's like the only suspect, I guess, that I could give is somebody who knew her a little 197 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:28,200 bit. 198 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:29,200 Yeah. 199 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,560 The, the violence of it and it being the middle of the day, to me, it's, it's one of 200 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:42,080 two, you know, a wild person committed this crime or someone who knows a lot of details 201 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,040 because like you said, it's a, it's a small window. 202 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,800 And if you don't know that person, you don't know the schedule as I guess in a salient, 203 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:55,760 you're like banking on a lot to go right for you when you're doing something very wrong. 204 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:04,000 So that's like bone chilling though, to think about that and the aspect of like, like stalking. 205 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Yeah, I did think that the stalker who was like targeting the Asian community, specifically 206 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:15,960 women in that community, I think that is an interesting lead. 207 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:20,720 And I would be curious to know if the police ever found this man, if they were able to 208 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,320 rule him out or if he's still kind of elusive because if somebody was watching her, like 209 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,640 that would be a stalking behavior. 210 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:34,800 So I am curious there a little bit about who that man was and what became of that story. 211 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:41,240 It's something very interesting that is happening around this time. 212 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:48,560 And for there to be no follow up or anything, I am curious as well. 213 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,520 And maybe that answer is out there and I just couldn't find it. 214 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,800 It didn't seem to be brought up in the newspapers again that I had access to. 215 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,200 So yeah, that would be something that I would want to know the answer to and if they ruled 216 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,400 him out in Fiona's case specifically. 217 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:09,920 But I do agree with you though about the bone chillingness of this case. 218 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:15,520 Like it was scary to read about, but then also like kind of scary how little is known 219 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,920 about the case and how it is not more widely known. 220 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:25,760 I think that and I'm hoping that with us covering this case, you know, more people will as well. 221 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:31,480 And hopefully we'll see some of those answers trickle through. 222 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Again, I think it's as sad and horrifying as this case is. 223 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,280 I think it was necessary to bring it here. 224 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,200 Yeah, I agree with you 100%. 225 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:48,960 And you know, seeing all our listeners like those numbers just come in, like that's just 226 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,200 these names, these cases getting out there. 227 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,320 And, you know, that does put pressure on police if there's news stories about them. 228 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,520 It makes them look at the case again. 229 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,480 Maybe it gives a detective that hasn't looked at the case, you know, the curiosity to go 230 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,640 look at it themselves and maybe they're able to see something that was missed. 231 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:12,640 Like there's so many ways that just talking about these cases helps and helps bring awareness. 232 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:19,120 Fresh eyes are always a good idea, you know, on things like this. 233 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:25,400 I couldn't agree more that with the listeners and the numbers, just the more attention there 234 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,760 is, the more likely it is that things will be discovered. 235 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:35,320 Yeah, and I am hopeful that, you know, police have this composite based off of the DNA. 236 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,080 We're going to be posting pictures of that composite on our Instagram. 237 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,280 So if you're not following us there, you absolutely should be. 238 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:49,720 And of course, if you know anything about the murder of Fiona Yu in August of 1997, please 239 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,400 call the Tempe Police Department at 480-250-8311. 240 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,360 And again, we're going to be posting pictures of Fiona on our Instagram as well as the composite 241 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,480 sketch created by DNA. 242 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:06,600 So if you're not following us, you can find us at Cold and Missing and you can keep up 243 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,080 with the podcast there and other true crime stories that we kind of report 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