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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Ali, and it will just be me coming to you this week.
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Eli is busy with some other projects, but hopefully soon we'll be able to kind of talk
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about them with you all.
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But he is a little busy this week, so it'll just be me bringing you the podcast.
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And I just want to say thank you so much.
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I know last week we had an unexpected week off.
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I've talked about this before briefly.
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I am someone who gets migraines like 15 or plus days a month.
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So I can usually work through them.
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You know, I have my doctors, I have medications, I have things I can take to kind of help manage
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them.
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But sometimes they just get out of control and they are beyond what I'm able to kind
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of manage and I just have to rest.
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If you or someone you love has migraines, I'm sure you understand, but if not, I do
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appreciate your understanding and your patience with me while I heal up and get back to the
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podcast bringing you a new episode.
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So that's what I'm here to do this week.
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And I thought we should just go ahead and jump into it.
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We are on episode 119 this week.
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And just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person
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and there are mentions of sexual assault throughout the podcast.
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Today we are talking about the cold case of Heidi Seeman.
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And this takes place in August of 1990 in San Antonio, Texas.
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But first, a little bit about Heidi.
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Heidi is 11 years old in 1990.
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She had just finished up her fifth grade year at Stahl Elementary School and was gearing
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up for sixth grade while enjoying the summer with friends.
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Heidi lived with her mom and dad, Teresa and Curtis Seeman, and her younger sister in San
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Antonio.
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Heidi's dad at this time in 1990 was a senior master sergeant assigned to the Air Force
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Military Personnel Center at Randolph Air Force Base.
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Heidi was a lovely daughter, a great friend, and an incredible sister.
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Her parents said she was very responsible and they could always depend on her.
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She never caused much trouble.
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And she was well liked at her school.
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And now a timeline of events.
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On Saturday, August 4, 1990.
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It was around noon on Saturday and Heidi had spent the night before at a friend's house
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and it was time for her to start heading home.
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She gathered her things and the plan was for her to walk a mile home.
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Her friend was going to walk her halfway and then they would part ways and Heidi would
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finish the walk by herself.
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Heidi is wearing a collarless white shirt with buttons at the throat, purple jogging
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shorts and black and white polka dot shoes.
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On the walk, the friends notice a red car with tinted windows drive past them.
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Despite the tint in the windows, the girls could see that a man was driving the car and
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that he had a mustache.
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The girls continue walking, but then they notice that same red car drive past them again.
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Undeterred, they keep walking to the halfway point, where they would separate ways.
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This point was at Stahl Road and Willow Run in San Antonio.
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Today this area is covered with homes and neighborhoods, but in 1990 it appears that
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a lot of this area was being developed and many places were under construction.
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Heidi and her friends say goodbye to each other and her friend turns around and starts
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walking back home.
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As her friend is leaving, she notices the red car driving towards them again, but she
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keeps walking towards her house.
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When the friend turns around to look at Heidi, she notices that both her and the red car
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are gone.
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It's unclear exactly how long it takes for Heidi to get reported.
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She is reported missing that day, that Saturday, but it's unclear exactly when her parents
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noticed that something was wrong and when they reported that to police.
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The next day, Sunday, August 5, news of the missing little girl had started to spread
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and hundreds of people come out to search for her.
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The main focus is around a construction site.
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Security guards at one of the construction sites reported to police that at around 4
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a.m. they heard the screams of a young girl, but they didn't see anything.
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Searchers are deployed to this area to search nearby, but they don't find any sign of
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Heidi.
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The FBI also officially joins the case and the search for Heidi.
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Investigators feel confident that they are dealing with a kidnapping.
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Detective Sam Bullies us as, quote, we feel there is enough information to carry it as
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a kidnapping.
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The fact that the family hasn't heard anything since Saturday is an indication this is a
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kidnapping, end quote.
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Heidi's family are very grateful for all of the help in the case.
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The Air Force even sends personnel to help the search.
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The family tries to keep their hopes up that Heidi will come home at any moment.
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Large scale searches involving hundreds of volunteers, local, state, and federal investigators,
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and search and rescue teams are conducted all over San Antonio over the next few days,
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but no sign of Heidi is found.
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On Wednesday, August 8, Heidi has been missing for four days.
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A possible sighting was reported to the FBI tip line.
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At around 8 a.m., a man was headed into work and noticed a stalled out pickup truck.
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When the man stopped to offer help, the driver refused his offer.
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The truck was a white 1972 Ford pickup with a full-length toolbox.
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The front left fender had a lot of black on it, according to the witness.
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The driver of the stalled out truck was a white man, about six foot tall, with black
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hair and sunglasses on, and extremely rough looking.
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When the man who had stopped to offer help walked back to his truck, he says he saw a
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girl tied up and gagged in the bed of the truck.
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The man drove to work and told his coworkers what he had seen.
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The man himself was hesitant to call police, so one of his coworkers called and reported
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it.
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Eventually, police are able to talk to the man directly and get his statement.
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However, another witness calls the tip line saying the same thing—that between 7.30
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and 8 a.m. in the morning on I-35, the witness saw the truck and slowed down to ask if they
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needed help when they saw the little girl in the back.
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He drove off to call police.
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A search is done in the area where the truck was stalled at and in nearby abandoned houses,
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but again, nothing is found related to Heidi.
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Police continue every day with large searches happening on weekends when the most volunteers
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can show up.
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A reward fund swells to over $23,000, but still, no sign of Heidi is found and no other
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sightings of her are reported.
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On Saturday, August 25, exactly three weeks since Heidi disappeared, a farmer, Jack Campbell,
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is out on his 460-acre ranch with his son riding an ATV when he catches the smell of
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something bad and notices a bunch of buzzards.
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He drives over to the area to investigate and notices a human skull.
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He then sees a trash bag and knows that there's a body inside.
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He hops on the ATV and gets to a phone as quick as possible to call police.
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When the police arrive, they find a body that had been wrapped in blankets and placed inside
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two trash bags that were then duct-taped together.
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Restraints had been used.
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The body had been found in a cluster of cedar trees about 75 feet off of Hayes County Road,
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220.
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Police begin to process the scene.
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Heidi's body was in advanced stages of decomposition, but they do believe that she had been out
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here for at least two weeks, but investigators also believe that she was likely killed shortly
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after her abduction.
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Due to the state of her body, police are doubtful that they'll be able to get a cause of death.
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Her body is sent for an autopsy and to confirm her identification.
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They'll have to use dental records to confirm that it's Heidi due to the state of her body.
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It's not revealed at this time in 1990, but years later, they do say that Heidi's cause
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of death was by strangulation and that she had been sexually assaulted before her murder.
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Heidi's case is handed over to the military police to investigate after her body is found.
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However, it appears that investigators make little progress in the case after the discovery
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of the body, at least to the public.
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Behind the scenes, investigators are working on a case and it's coming together quite
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slowly.
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The next update doesn't come until March of 1992, a year and a half after her murder.
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Military police announce that they're holding a suspect for questioning.
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The suspect is Air Force Major Robert Eric Duncan.
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Duncan had been in charge of organizing searches for Heidi and had acted as president of the
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Heidi Search Center, an organization that was founded after Heidi went missing to help
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families of missing children get the resources that they need.
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He was president for about a year.
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Duncan was a former supervisor of Heidi's father.
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However, it seems that due to Heidi's father, Curtis, Duncan either lost his supervisor
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position or was transferred somewhere else.
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It's unclear exactly what happened, but something happened with his job where he lost
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either his rank or some significant position.
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It's unclear exactly how Curtis would have caused this, but this is what police believe
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would have motivated Duncan to murder Heidi.
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Duncan first came to police attention when he began to call the sheriff's wife, who
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was a reporter at the paper.
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Duncan would call her and ask her about the investigation and whether FBI agents were
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in the area, and he also wanted to discuss strange dreams he was having.
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According to a statement that she made to police, Patty Hastings says, quote, he again
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began telling me about his dreams, and I again cut him short, end quote.
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Investigators conduct a search of his home and interrogate him.
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However, after just two days, military police release Major Robert Eric Duncan.
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When asked about it, the Air Force spokesperson says, quote, I really don't know why.
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He just hasn't been charged.
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It's still an open investigation, end quote.
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In February of 1996, so it's been five and a half years since Heidi's murder, and police
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say that they have a new suspect, Jerry Nabor.
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Nabor in 1996 is in prison serving time on drug charges.
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He was known to have a heavy meth addiction.
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The affidavit for the suspect states that a witness saw a young girl just inside a rear
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door of the suspect's apartment about the time of Heidi's abduction.
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The girl was tied to the chair, and her mouth was covered with something, like a bandana,
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and she appeared to be crying.
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When the witness asked who she was, Nabor responded that she was just a meth addict
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that he had found somewhere.
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Police take hair and blood samples of Nabor and send them for comparison.
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However, just a few months later, at the end of May of 1996, Heidi's father, Curtis Seeman https://www.dps.texas.gov/apps/coldCase/Tips/tipForm/56,
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files a murder charge against Duncan.
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The murder charge was filed under military justice rules that permits one soldier to
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file charges against another soldier.
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So that's what her father did against Duncan.
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Now, Duncan had planned to retire from the Air Force on June 1st, but since this was
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filed at the end of May, he wasn't allowed to retire until the case was settled.
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Duncan's lawyer said the family was, quote, obviously distraught.
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They've been planning a retirement for some time now.
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The good news, and he's happy about this, we're going to have our chance to defend
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this case, end quote.
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It takes the entire summer of 1996.
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However, in September of that same year, the case against Duncan is dropped by the Air
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Force.
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It was ruled that there was not sufficient evidence to proceed with the charge of premeditated
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murder.
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It's also released at this time that the DNA results for the other suspect, Nabor,
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came back and there was not a match.
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The case goes cold for years.
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In 2010, so it's been 20 years since Heidi's murder, the local paper runs Heidi's story
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and talks with retired Hays County Sheriff Paul Hastings, and he has strong opinions
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on this case.
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He says, quote, she was kidnapped by Major Duncan.
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It pretty much looks to me like Duncan is guilty.
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Unfortunately, there isn't that one piece of physical evidence that can be attached
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to anybody.
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Unless somebody comes forward and says, I did it, I'm not sure it can be resolved.
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Have you ever seen a case like this before?
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We have a situation where we know who did it.
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We know what a horrible crime it was, and yet nothing has happened, end quote.
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However, Duncan has maintained his innocence over the years and in 2010 says that he is
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working on a book about the case.
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However, as of 2025, it does not appear that any book has ever been written by Duncan that
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I could find at least.
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At the same time in 2010, other investigators who worked the case firmly believe that it
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was Jerry Naboor who murdered Heidi.
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However, again, the DNA results from 1996 seemed to have cleared him.
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But that is all we know about the murder of Heidi Seeman.
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So if you know anything about the murder of Heidi Seeman in August of 1990, please call
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Texas Crime Stoppers at 1-800-252-8477.
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All tips are anonymous.
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You can also submit a tip online through the Texas Rangers Cold Case website and there
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will be a link to that in our show notes as well.
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But that is the case of Heidi Seeman.
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This is a case that I actually had never heard before.
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I came across it, you know, as I'm searching for cases to cover.
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I noticed Heidi's picture and I had never seen it before.
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I had not come across it even while searching, you know, through all these cold cases.
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I hadn't seen her picture before.
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So when I clicked on it and read more about her case, you know, I was really surprised
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that I had never heard about Heidi's case at all, that, you know, I'd never come across
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it.
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To me, 1990 doesn't feel like that long ago.
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I know, I know it is a long time ago.
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It's 35 years at this point.
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But to me, it doesn't seem that long ago.
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up before now in my lifetime.
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But, you know, it's always shocking how many kids go missing in America that just never
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get that national coverage that I personally think all missing people should get, but especially
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children, especially children should have national coverage.
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And, you know, for Heidi's case, I never really found any coverage outside of Texas, which
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is unfortunate because we know kids can move across state lines quickly in cases like this.
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Heidi's case, I think, brings up a lot of questions.
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For me, it did.
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I'm sure for a lot of you listeners, it did as well.
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Some of the questions I had, you know, if I could sit down with police and just like
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ask anything I wanted, get all the questions.
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One thing that to me seems just bonkers is these witnesses that have come forward over
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the years.
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You know, we have the two witnesses with the pickup truck seeing a young girl gagged and
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bound in the bed of a pickup truck.
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And then the other witness who saw a young girl in this man's apartment.
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In both of those cases, I deeply want to know who this girl is.
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Like, it's shocking to me.
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It's shocking to me that, you know, somebody could see a child in this predicament of being
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in the bed of a truck in this way.
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Like, obviously that's not good and still be able to like walk away, get in their truck,
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drive away.
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Obviously, I was not there.
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I do not know the circumstances.
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I do not know if, you know, this person had reason to fear for his life.
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Both of the witnesses, two people said to have seen this pickup truck with a girl in
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the bed.
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Like, I don't know.
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I wasn't there.
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But seeing that and driving off, you know, obviously this is before cell phones were
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in every pocket.
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So they had to drive off to find a cell phone to call, like, or not even a cell phone, just
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a phone to call police.
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Like, the thought of like leaving that's like it gives me anxiety.
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I feel anxious thinking about that girl now.
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And maybe that was Heidi.
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Maybe maybe it wasn't.
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Maybe it's some other girl that like we need those answers for.
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And the same thing with this girl that was seen in the apartment tied to the chair.
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Who is she?
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Like, I so desperately want and need to know who these girls are and know if they're okay.
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Do do their families have answers?
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Are they missing and murdered as well?
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Like, I don't know.
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I don't know how you could witness another human in a circumstance like that and walk
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away.
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It was shocking for me to read that account of the witnesses in both circumstances.
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So I I'm sure a lot of you felt that too, where it was just like, how did this happen?
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How could Heidi have potentially been there alive and then slip through our fingers?
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And unfortunately, she's found three weeks later.
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Another question I had that, you know, I would want to just kind of clear up and just have
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an understanding of is what timeline police are working on here because they believe that
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she was likely murdered shortly after her abduction.
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That is that is that days, you know, within that first week with that, is that shortly
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after the abduction or is it hours?
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Is that what we're talking about shortly after the abduction?
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You know, investigators believe that her body had been out in that field for about two weeks.
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So that leaves a week.
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I wonder what investigators think about that week.
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Was she being held somewhere?
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You know, do they think she her body was moved here?
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You know, she had been dead maybe for several days and then moved here.
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It's that's that timeline is something that I would want to know about.
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And you know, I would be interested to hear investigators theories about that and like
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what the evidence shows, what does it support?
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And then also just do we have DNA in this case?
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You know, it's talked about in 1996.
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They specifically mentioned DNA testing and I know like it was still kind of newer than,
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you know, they sent hair and blood for comparison.
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So to me, that would suggest that they have something to compare it to a hair that wasn't
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Heidi's DNA blood that wasn't Heidi's.
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So do we have DNA in this case?
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That is something that I would really want to know.
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By 2010, it seems like that DNA should have been ran, ran again.
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So to me, it feels like if DNA existed in this case, then we would have been able to
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rule out these two suspects by now or bring charges.
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So I feel like nervous that DNA doesn't actually exist in this case.
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But I'm also hopeful that maybe if it doesn't, that police can retest evidence in this case
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to try the more sensitive DNA testing to bring a profile or you know, if they were waiting
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for that and just haven't that they do that.
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I really hope we're able to get a DNA profile for this case to bring closure because a lot
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of people are pointing fingers like some people feel very strongly.
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You know, the sheriff and Heidi's family, you know, the fact that her father brought
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charges against somebody else murder charges like that.
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I don't know how often that happens in the military.
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You know, military law and justice is quite confusing.
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So I apologize that I didn't, you know, do a deep dive into it on this one and explain
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it a little bit more.
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To be honest, I don't understand it fully.
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But, you know, soldiers are able to bring charges against one another.
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So Heidi's family and the sheriff feel very strongly that it was Duncan, the this other
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person who was in the Air Force.
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But if it wasn't, I feel like he deserves to have his name cleared.
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And the family also deserves to know that as well.
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They have believed for years that you know, this person did this to their daughter or
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very strongly believe that this person could have done this to their daughter.
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And if it wasn't him, like they deserve to be able to like let that go and focus their
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energy on finding the right person.
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And of course, having that DNA profile will just be sure, you know, when we do find the
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right person that it is beyond a shadow of a doubt, it'll help bring those charges and
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like get the justice ultimately that we're looking for for Heidi to get answers for Heidi
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and her family.
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And ultimately somebody should have to answer for what happened to Heidi because it's disgusting.
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It's awful.
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It's despicable.
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And somebody needs to answer for that.
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So I do hope that someday we're able to get answers from somebody on why they would do
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this, why they think they have the right.
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But again, if you know anything about the murder of Heidi Seeman in August of 1990,
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please call the Texas Crime Stoppers at 1-800-252-8477.
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Or you can submit a tip online through the Texas Rangers Cold Case tip portal and a link
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to that will be in our show notes.
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Thank you so much to everyone who reviewed us recently.
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I know I was talking in our last episode how we were so close to 77 and I was like really
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wanting that just because it was like a woo woo number, you know, like numerology, seeing
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you know the repeated numbers.
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I totally live for that stuff.
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And you know, it's just me.
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It makes me happy.
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So I appreciate that, you know, we got there.
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We got beyond it.
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Thank you so much for taking the time.
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I know we're all busy.
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We all have a thousand things calling our attention.
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So the fact that you take the time to, you know, share the podcast, advocate for the
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podcast, like that's incredible.
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Thank you so much.
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And that directly helps these cases.
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The more we can get these cases out there, the better.
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Also on our Instagram, we will have pictures of Heidi so you can see it there.
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Also thank you so much to everyone who shares, you know, the missing posters that we share
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in our stories or, you know, about the cases we cover here or the cold cases.
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We appreciate it so much just to get those faces out there.
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The names get people talking about these people they deserve to still be talked about.
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So thank you so much for doing all that.
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year that derails the podcast.
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Follow us if you're not.
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Thank you again so much for listening to cold and missing and for sticking with us even
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when I have to take a week off for a migraine.
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