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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases.
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And missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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Thank you so much for hanging in with us this week.
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You can probably tell from my voice I'm still a little sick, but I'm feeling much better.
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And for me, part of respecting these stories is being able to tell them with the best of
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everything, the best audio, best research, and also the best voice.
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So I didn't want to be a sick mess.
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Recording on Sunday is when we usually record.
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And have people not listen to the episode because they don't want a sick person in their
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ear.
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Yeah, I feel like now is a maybe okay time to mention that, especially if you've been
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listening to us for a year now, you have been with us when we've been sick a couple of times.
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We are a times two autoimmune household.
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So sometimes, unfortunately, when we get sick, when one of us gets sick, we both get sick.
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And usually it knocks us out for like a few days as opposed to someone who has maybe a
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stronger immune system than myself or Ali.
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So we appreciate you always coming back and being a part of what we're trying to do here.
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And even after, you know, especially even when we're on the mend, we love to get back in
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the booth like Ali is right now.
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And yeah, I think that's it.
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We have Episode 62.
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Awesome.
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So this week we are on a missing person case.
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And we are going to be talking about the case of Jeffrey Lynn Smith.
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And this takes place December 4, 1985, in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
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At first, a little bit about Jeffrey Lynn.
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Jeffrey went by her middle name Lynn.
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But there's a story behind her first name, Jeffrey, which is pretty interesting.
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So her mother, Clarice, was a housekeeper and nanny for Virginia Kelley and her then
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husband Jeff Dwyer.
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Virginia is the mother of former President Bill Clinton.
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According to Clarice, since Virginia and Jeff were unable to have children, they wanted
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Clarice to name her child after Jeff.
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When Clarice gave birth to a baby girl, she was going to name her Shirley, but Virginia
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and Jeff's feelings were hurt, so she changed the name to Jeffrey Lynn.
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Now, Clarice didn't have much interaction with Bill Clinton since he was already out
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of the household and attending Oxford on his Rhodes Scholarship at this time.
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But when he came home to visit, he did meet Clarice while she was pregnant with Lynn.
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Lynn was 16 years old in 1985.
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She had turned 16 in October of that year.
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And as a gift, her parents gave her an opal ring.
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Lynn adored her ring and wore it every day.
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Her sister Lisa said that Lynn protected the ring, quote, as if it were one of the crown
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jewels of England, end quote.
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Lynn has a bright smile and was shy around strangers, but very talkative around those
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she loved.
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Lynn loved her hair and according to her mother was a sweet and lovely young lady.
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She followed the rules and listened to her mother.
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She never gave her mother any trouble at all.
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And now a timeline of events.
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On December 4th, 1985, this starts as a typical day for Lynn.
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She heads to school wearing pink pants, a brown jacket and tan shoes.
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After the school day ends, Lynn is walking home with her then boyfriend named Frank and
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a friend named Lisa, not her sister Lisa, but a friend named Lisa.
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Lynn's aunt actually sees the trio walking and stops to ask if they want to ride.
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They say no, they were okay walking and they continue on their way.
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Lisa leaves Lynn and Frank to head to her home.
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Lisa tells Lynn's sister years later, quote, I left parted ways with them and she was headed
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home.
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They just kept walking, end quote.
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This was near the intersection of Crescent Street and Silver Street in Hot Springs, Arkansas,
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which was just blocks from her home.
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Frank says that he and Lynn parted ways and she was headed home.
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Despite being close to her home, Lynn never makes it there.
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Clarice instantly starts to panic when Lynn doesn't come home.
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Lynn has never missed her curfew before and she's never given her parents a reason to
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worry.
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Clarice calls the police who do not take Lynn's disappearance seriously.
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Police believe that she'll be back soon and is probably just out with friends.
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Police treat the disappearance as a runaway.
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On December 5th, 1985, the next day, Clarice knows something is absolutely wrong.
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Not only had Lynn never missed curfew, but she certainly had never stayed out all night.
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Her family knows that there is no way that she ran away.
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Clarice calls her daughter Lisa, crying and telling her that Lynn didn't come home last
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night.
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Police stand firm that she ran away and do not launch any official searches for the girl
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that I could find any reports on.
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According to the family, they were the ones hitting the streets every single night, hanging
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up posters, asking folks to be on the lookout and if they have seen her.
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Lynn's boyfriend, Frank, does join the family in their nightly searches for Lynn, but no
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trace of her is found.
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After some time, it's unclear if this was days or weeks after Lynn's disappearance,
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but the police contact her family to let them know they had some news.
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They found Lynn's beloved opal ring at a pawn shop.
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It had been pawned the day Lynn disappeared.
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Police do not confirm who the person was that pawned it.
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However, it does appear that in 1985, it would have been required to show an ID to pawn an
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item, but the pawn industry wasn't as regulated as it is today, so there may have been some
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shops who were slipping through the cracks.
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I mention all of that because police have never confirmed who pawned the ring.
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The family does have their suspicions on who the person was, but in theory, if all protocols
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were followed, the police should know who pawned Lynn's ring the day she disappeared.
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The case truly goes cold after this.
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Police never launch any official searches, and it's only the family who are out searching
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for Lynn during this period.
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Lynn's family did move out of Arkansas for a bit, but they moved back in 2005, nearly
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20 years after Lynn disappeared.
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They move back with the hopes of reopening the case and getting answers to what happened
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to Lynn.
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Lisa, Lynn's sister, did manage to talk to two women who had dated Lynn's boyfriend,
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Frank.
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Both women were abused by him, and Frank would end up serving jail time for a myriad of reasons.
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Lisa transcribed the interviews and turned them over to police.
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Lynn's family and their relationship with the police was very tense.
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Not only had they not taken Lynn's disappearance seriously in 1985, but at one point, the police
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called the family down to the station saying that they had news about Lynn's disappearance.
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When the family arrived, instead of giving them news, they arrested her stepfather on
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an outstanding traffic warrant.
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Lisa says, quote, that was inhumane.
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The people who were supposed to protect us were playing games, end quote.
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In 2007, Lynn's family was able to sit down and review the police file on Lynn's disappearance
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and found many inconsistencies.
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The biggest flaw, the family felt, was that Lynn's ex-boyfriend, Frank, wasn't examined
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more closely.
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The police did interview Frank, but the family does not believe it was enough.
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According to Lisa, quote, the interview consisted of them standing at his door and asking him
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a question.
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They interviewed him for five minutes.
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My mom and dad sat outside the door and watched, end quote.
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In 2008, the case was reopened by the Hot Springs police and reclassified as a homicide.
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Police say they do have a suspect whose statements have been inconsistent.
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Police search wooded areas and fields, but nothing related to Lynn is found, per the
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police.
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When the police do reopen the case, they put the family in touch with the National Center
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for Missing and Exploited Children.
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The center does produce an age-progress photo of Lynn on what she might look like at 38.
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Lisa becomes heavily involved with the volunteering for the organization, and it's something
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that she continues to do to this day.
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In 2010, police bring cadaver dogs to a heavily wooded area searching for clues related to
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Lynn.
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The Hot Springs police sergeant, Jeffrey Micah, told the media again that they do have a suspect
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in the case, but they declined to release the person's name.
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And that is truly the last update I could find around Lynn's case.
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Lisa has done an incredible job keeping Lynn's case in the public eye and with her volunteer
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work at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, but there have been no
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new leads or police activity that have been reported in regards to Lynn's disappearance.
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The family honors Lynn every holiday season by handing out what they call Lynn bags to
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people experiencing homelessness.
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In the bags, they put socks, gloves, toiletries, food, and a crisp $5 bill to hand out to those
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in need.
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According to the family, when they hand the bags out to those who need it, their eyes
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light up and they get to experience Lynn's bright eyes once again.
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And this is how they honor her memory, which is really beautiful.
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But that is really all we know about the disappearance of Jeffrey Lynn Smith.
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So if you know anything about the disappearance of Lynn Smith or her whereabouts today, you
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are encouraged to call the Hot Springs police at 501-321-6789.
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And the sources for the timeline come from the Baxter Bulletin, KARK News, Lisa Murray's
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personal YouTube channel, News One, and rblackgirls.com.
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So that is the case of Jeffrey Lynn Smith.
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This was a case that I actually knew about.
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And it was only a case that I knew some information about because it was one that I happened to
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come across in my own, you know, just in, I guess, offshoot investigative true crime
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work when I'm on the internet by myself and looking.
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Her case was one that I came across and just saw that maybe someone had written about it,
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I think.
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And I, unfortunately, like this, it makes me like kind of embarrassed to say, like,
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I couldn't remember the name.
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All I could remember was how mishandled it seemed.
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I guess those are my first reactions is that it was one that I kind of knew about.
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And once you started talking, I was like, oh, yeah, I remember her name and that she
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goes by or went by her middle name predominantly.
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And this just gives me like a little choked up just that she was very small.
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I remember that she was small.
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Yeah, she was 16 years old in 1985 when she went missing.
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So she was a very petite young woman.
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Yeah, I guess I would like to course correct a little bit.
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My comment on that is I am around the same height.
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I know that I am small and just how easy it is to be taken advantage of physically when
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you are small and like the extra heartbreak around that because like people know that
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they can take advantage of people who are smaller more easily, you know.
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My question for you, though, coming into this is what what do you have to say about the
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boyfriend, because I know you gave the telling of the story, but I'm very interested in your
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thoughts and opinions on that.
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I think you always need to eliminate the last person who saw the person before they disappeared
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or you know, before they were murdered.
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You have to cross them out almost in the same way that, you know, when people are married,
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you have to cross the spouse out.
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Like you have to start there and then kind of work your way out.
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So to me, when the family talks about that they do not believe that the boyfriend was
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investigated thoroughly, and really it's Lynn's sister, Lisa, doing a lot of the investigation
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of contacting ex-girlfriends of this guy and transcribing those interviews and then sending
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it to police.
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So it's pretty clear that the family thinks that there needs to be more investigation
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into him if for no other reason because he was the last person to see her before she
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disappeared.
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She never made it home.
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We know that she was pretty close to home, but she never made it there.
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So why?
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And if Frank did not do it, what did he see?
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Did he see any cars?
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Did he see any people walking with them?
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You know, was anybody on the sidewalk?
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I think those are all questions that I would want answered if I, you know, was looking
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into this case and allowed to investigate it.
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Those are all things that I would be asking and wanting to know and wanting to get a consistent
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answer.
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The police do say they have a suspect.
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They've never released the name in the case, but they do say that the suspect has been
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inconsistent with their statements.
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So that's something too, where is the inconsistencies coming from?
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That's something I would be very curious about.
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Oh, thank you for that.
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And circling back to Lynn's sister, just what an incredible human being, like what she's
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done since her sister's disappearance.
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Even if I'm not mistaken, she moved away and then moved back with kind of like the intention
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to devote a significant portion of her life to finding answers about what happened to
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her sister, right?
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Yeah, just, I don't know if she'll hear this or anyone who knows her, but you're an amazing
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person and while I don't understand what it is to go through experiencing a loved one
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being missing or not having answers, I am now in a new chapter of my life where I understand
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loss and the permanence that it takes up in you.
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I know I've mentioned it before with other people who've dedicated their lives to finding
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answers about their missing loved ones.
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Again, I'm just echoing it here of like, when you are dedicating your life, you are dedicating
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every part of you to doing this.
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I just think that she's an incredible person and a great sister.
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To speak more on her boyfriend, Frank, I wasn't necessarily asking because I think or thought
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that it was him.
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Unfortunately, I think with the existence of podcasts and just like true crime exposure
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and media, the first 48 or whatever has notably ruined some people's lives when they weren't
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the person who committed the crime.
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And you are, oh, I love you and I think you are amazing, but you are so mindful of that
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even when you know a cold case like this is presenting itself with a very possible like,
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maybe this guy did it, you still speak about it with mindfulness.
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So my next question to you is, and I can't remember if you mentioned this already, but
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why did they, why did they first go in the direction of a runaway?
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I don't know for sure.
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The police never really say their reasoning behind why they classified this as a runaway.
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But given the South in 1985, I would think that this is a young black girl who didn't
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come home one day.
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And the police just weren't that worried about it.
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So what's kind of the easiest thing for a minor is to say they ran away and they'll
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be on the lookout, you know, even though again, Lynn had no history of running away.
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She had no history of even missing her curfew.
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Like her family is very solid in their response that she was like a good girl.
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And even if you're quote, a bad kid, like you absolutely deserve to be looked for, but
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this was so outside of the normal for Lynn, like she really respected and minded her parents
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and kept to the curfew that they set for her and certainly wouldn't stay out all night.
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So I think that it was just the police not really caring.
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Thank you for saying it as blatantly as I thought when I heard it was this is a pure
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example of systemic racism and it's just disgusting and heartbreaking to know that they just didn't
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care that it just wasn't even anything else.
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Yeah, you know, one thing that Lisa did talk about one of her goals kind of in reaching
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out and creating her own, you know, she created her own YouTube channel where she talks about
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Lynn's case and also talks, you know, kind of interviews her mother, Clarice, on, you
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know, how Lynn got the name Jeffrey Lynn.
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And I would hope that at some point the media really picks up the story and runs with it.
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And Mr. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton can hear about it because I, you know, however
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you feel about them, they're people with immense power, immense money, immense influence,
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and they can pour money into this investigation and not miss a beat out of their lives.
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And that was like a goal of Lisa's was to get this to Bill Clinton somehow.
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And like the family acknowledges, like, you know, the Clintons don't owe them anything.
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But if Bill Clinton is a humanitarian, as he claims to be, and the same with Hillary,
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then this is something they should be interested in, especially having the connection of Clarice,
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Lynn's mother, being a housekeeper for Bill Clinton's mother and a nanny to his brother,
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who was, I believe, 13 at the time.
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So he knew Clarice very well and knew her through her pregnancy.
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Clarice tells the story of when she was pregnant with Lynn, Bill Clinton came in, he was visiting
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his family and he was out for a jog and came in and saw that Clarice was pregnant and asked
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her if she was going to eat a peanut butter and banana sandwich, because all pregnant
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women eat that, you know, they get those weird cravings or whatever.
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And she said no, like she was like, no, I'm not eating that.
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But you know, so there while there wasn't a lot of interaction between Bill and Clarice,
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like there was like she was in his family's home, caring for his siblings, caring for
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the mother, I believe, according to Clarice, Bill Clinton's mom was a nurse and she helped
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deliver Lynn.
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She was there when Lynn was born.
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So there's deep family connection there.
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And I've personally never had a housekeeper or a nanny in my home as a child or as an
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adult.
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That's that's never been part of my lifestyle.
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But if I had somebody working in my home like that, and somebody that they loved went missing,
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even if I didn't know them personally, I would be very invested in getting an answer
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for them a resolution or if nothing else, just support.
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And that could come in a lot of ways, you know, that can come from just being a physical
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presence there, being a shoulder to lean on.
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And in cases where people do have housekeepers and nannies, it could be financial support,
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like supporting the family so they can look full time.
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Those are all things that can happen with Bill Clinton involved.
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Absolutely.
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I would hope that someday soon the media picks this up, runs with it.
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It somehow gets to him and they can just pour money into the case and into the family and
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into the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and get a resolution because the answers
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are out there.
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It's clear that the police do have some ideas maybe about what happened.
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They continually search wooded areas, fields, they bring in cadaver dogs.
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We don't know if anything was ever found in those searches.
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It's kind of clear that they think it has to do with a deserted area.
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So let's get the teams in there.
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Let's get the dogs in there.
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Let's get the searchers in there that are all over the nation.
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Let's get them into Hot Springs, Arkansas and find out what happened to Lynn.
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So again, if you know anything about the disappearance of Lynn Smith in 1985 or her whereabouts today,
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please call the Hot Springs Police at 501-321-6789.
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And we mentioned that there is an age progress photo.
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We will be posting that on our Instagram along with some other photos that we found of Lynn
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through the years.
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So please, if you're not following us there, please do.
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And of course, if there's ever going to be a delay in an episode getting out, we always
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post an update on our Instagram.
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So it's a great place to follow us just to keep up with the podcast.
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So come Monday morning, if you don't have an episode, you're in the know, you're in
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the why.
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So that's where you can find constant updates on our podcast.
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Also, if you need transcripts to follow along to the podcast, or if someone you love is
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deaf or hard of hearing, you can go to coldandmissing.com where our transcripts are uploaded along
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with videos and all of our back catalogs.
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So it's all over there for you to listen, read, watch, even review.
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You can review us on there as well.
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Speaking of reviews, if you're an Apple podcast, if you could give us a written review, it
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means the world to us.
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If you don't have time for that five stars, if you're in another podcast platform, whatever
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that metric is a thumbs up, five stars, a plus sign, I know they're all different, but
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whatever the positive one is, if you could give us one that helps us so much, it helps
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other people find us and ultimately it helps get these cases out to other people and just
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helps give validity to the podcast.
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So you're doing us a huge solid by doing that and appreciate every single one that has come
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through already.
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I talk about y'all all the time and pray for you all the time.
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So that is that's in your podcast app.
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You can do that right now.
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But that is all I have.
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Thank you so much for listening to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Allie McLaughlin-Solkowski.
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And I'm your cohost, Eli Slocowski.
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Have a great week and stay safe, y'all.
