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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Ali.
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And I'm Eli.
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Welcome back, everyone.
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Eli is back after being sick all last week.
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I'm so happy he's here.
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I'm very happy to be back in the booth.
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It's always difficult when you're on mic.
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When you're sick, there's just a lot of nasty sounds.
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And it was much better for me to spare y'all all of that.
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But I'm happy to get into this episode.
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Yes, but really quickly, I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has rated and
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reviewed us recently.
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We got some really kind reviews on Apple Podcasts.
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So thank you so much.
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And, you know, while I have your ear here at the beginning, if you have the time today
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to rate us, review us on your favorite podcast platform, it would mean not only the world
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to us, but it really helps get these cases into other ears, other people listening.
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Well, we are on episode 109 this week.
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So should we get into it?
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Let's do it.
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So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person.
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Today we are talking about the missing person case of Jenna Ray Robbins.
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And this takes place in May of 1989 in Killeen, Texas.
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But first a little bit about Jenna.
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Jenna is nine years old in 1989.
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She was born January 24th, 1980, and she would be 44 years old today.
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Her mother is Dong Robbins.
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She's originally from Korea.
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Jenna is half Korean and half white.
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Jenna lived in Killeen, a city with a population of about 70,000.
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It sits close to Fort Cavasso's army base, which was formerly Fort Hood.
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Jenna, her older brother and mother, live in an older part of the city.
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Jenna's parents were divorced.
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I couldn't find as many facts about Jenna as I usually like to bring to the podcast,
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but what I do know is that she is deeply loved by her family.
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She seemed to be a bright spirit in all of their lives.
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She was smart and made friends easily.
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And now a timeline of events.
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Sunday, May 14th, 1989.
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It was Mother's Day.
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Jenna's mother and brother were running to the store, and they asked Jenna if she wanted
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to come along.
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They needed to pick up a few more things for dinner.
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Jenna wanted to stay behind and continue to play with her friend, Kimberly.
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This was no problem.
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Jenna's grandmother was still home to look after her.
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Jenna's mother and brother left around 5.30 p.m.
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Jenna was playing outside her home on the 1200 block of North 4th Street with her friend
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Kimberly who was six years old at this time.
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Shortly after her mother and brother left, a man driving a light gray two-door Dodge
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or Plymouth car stopped to watch the girls play.
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The car looked new for 1989.
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He motioned for the girls to come over to the car.
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The man driving was white, between the ages of 20 and 22 years old, with short brown hair
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that had been slicked back.
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He didn't have any facial hair.
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The man driving the car persuades Jenna to get in the car with him.
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He offers to buy her gifts.
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He also tried to lure the six-year-old in the car as well with the same promise of buying
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her a gift.
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But Kimberly gets scared and runs off.
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Once Jenna was in the car and it was clear Kimberly was not going to get in, the vehicle
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backed up on Garrison Avenue and headed westbound on Garrison.
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When Jenna's mother arrives back home and can't locate Jenna, she calls a friend and
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they begin looking through the neighborhood for her, thinking she was still playing with
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friends.
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As the minutes tick by, they decide to call the police and report her missing.
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Police do appear to respond quickly and they begin to look through the neighborhood for
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her.
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As the night falls, police are out until 4 a.m. trying to locate Jenna.
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Now, Jenna's case did not get national attention despite it being a young girl who was abducted
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while playing in her neighborhood.
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It's unclear how quickly police are able to talk to her friend Kimberly and realize
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that they had an abduction on their hands.
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Amber alerts weren't a thing in 1989, but it does appear that the news spreads locally.
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As news about Jenna's abduction begins to creep into the community, an 11-year-old girl
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comes forward and says that just days before Jenna was abducted, possibly a week before,
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this 11-year-old girl was approached by a man in a two-door gray car who tried to get
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her to get inside.
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The description of Jenna's abductor had not been released to the public yet, but the young
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girl gives a description of the person who tried to abduct her and they are nearly identical.
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Two composite sketches were drawn.
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One of the man the 11-year-old saw and one of the man 6-year-old Kimberly saw take Jenna.
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They are strikingly similar.
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In the days that follow, both the FBI and the Texas Rangers get involved in Jenna's
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search, but they don't have any clues to go on.
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Any possible sighting of Jenna is quickly ruled out as another child.
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In November of 1989, Jenna has been missing for six months now.
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In Minnesota, a young boy named Jacob Wetterling goes missing.
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Jacob's case is pretty well known throughout the true crime community.
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Jacob, his brother, and a friend rode their bikes to a nearby video store and when they
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were returning home, a man with a gun told them to lay in a ditch and picked Jacob to
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abduct and told the two others to run and not look back where he would shoot.
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It takes years for this case to get solved, but it has been solved as of 2016.
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Jacob's case catches national attention and when flyers are mailed out, organizers also
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put in information about Jenna, hoping to get leads in her case too.
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The flyers are sent to thousands of businesses and schools.
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A lead organizer, David Collins, who ran a foundation for missing children after his
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own son vanished, said, quote, we asked the Wetterlings if we could put Jenna on the poster
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because she hadn't had any exposure, end quote.
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David expresses concern about Jenna's case getting so little attention, quote, early
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on they wouldn't do anything.
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We called to offer help and one officer didn't even know that there had been a kidnapping.
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He didn't know what we were talking about, end quote.
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Jenna and Jacob's picture appear together all over Minnesota, but Jenna's case never
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grabs that national spotlight.
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Her picture is featured on the Oprah Winfrey Show at one point, but her name does not become
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a household name like other cases.
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In February of 1990, so it's been nine months since Jenna vanished, and her pictures have
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been plastered all over Minnesota, despite her having never been to the state or have
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any ties there.
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Her mother, Dong Robbins, is grateful and often thinks about Jacob when she offers up
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a prayer for her daughter's safe return.
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She says, quote, I miss my daughter so much.
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My daughter left nine months ago.
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Every day I chant and ask that the guy please will change his mind, end quote.
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In Killeen, Sergeant Steve Parker is the third officer to handle Jenna's case in nine months.
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He does say that they get tips from all over the country due to the flyers, quote, she
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has been cited in four, five different places all over the country, all at the same time.
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Sometimes we get a good one with a license number or a name or something, but many tips
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we can't do anything about.
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I was at a truck stop a few hours ago and saw somebody who looked like her, end quote.
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Police are skeptical about these sightings, quote, if you look at her picture in that
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flyer you could walk into any elementary school up there in Minnesota and see someone similar,
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end quote.
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In 1998, it's been nine years since Jenna was abducted, and she would have been 18 years
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old.
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Her mother wonders what her daughter could be doing.
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She says, quote, she would probably be finishing school, in college, and in love with some
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boy.
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I do a lot of crying.
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I have a lot of pain.
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I still love my daughter very hard.
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I want her to come home.
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I miss her so much.
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The guy who took my daughter has to understand that he has hurt somebody.
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We are human beings and it hurts when you lose somebody like this.
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It's not right, end quote.
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Her mother still hopes that she is alive out there, quote, I have faith that she is and
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I want her to come home.
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I have to find her no matter what condition she is in, end quote.
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But that is truly the last thing that we know about the abduction of Jenna Ray Robbins.
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Her case does come up periodically in the media, but no new information has been given
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and no new leads, no new searches, nothing has been done in Jenna's case as far as I
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can tell.
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So if you know anything about the disappearance of Jenna Ray Robbins or her whereabouts today,
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please call the Bell County Crime Stoppers at 254-526-8477.
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So that is the case of Jenna Ray Robbins.
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One of the first things I wrote down after listening to you speak about Jenna was this
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is exactly why we do this podcast.
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When you said that you couldn't find a lot of information about her, you know, this is
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one of the exact reasons why we're reporting on it.
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You know, you specifically search for cases that are less known for a reason and I'm very
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glad to know her name and know her story.
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Her mother, you know, it's a case that should be known.
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So I'm very glad that it was brought to cold and missing.
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Yeah, it was really sad to learn that this abduction had happened and it didn't really
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hit the national news at all.
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Obviously I'll see, you know, if something really hits the national news, like, you know,
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this happened in Texas.
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I'll see newspapers in Chicago and then in California, like also covering the case, at
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least like the Associated Press story will be run.
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But in this case, I could really only find news articles local to Texas and then Minnesota.
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That was really all I could find covering it.
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Well, moving right into Jenna's abduction, I was very curious at least to know what you
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thought.
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Do you think that there was a possibility that she knew this perpetrator?
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It could be a possibility for sure.
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I don't think anything really has been ruled out.
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The one thing I do know that has been ruled out is that her father is not a suspect in
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this case.
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So he's about the only person that they've ruled out.
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But for me, one thing that I kind of come back to again and again in the story is with
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it being so close to that military base, I can't help but think that this was somebody
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living on the military base.
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And again, this is pure speculation on my part, but a lot of things to me kind of lend
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my thoughts to that.
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It would be the first place I would try to look.
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Yeah, I agree with you.
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I think having an army base, military base there, it is a designated concentrated group
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of people that are living amongst civilians.
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I think I'm speaking about that correctly.
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But yeah, it's not an anomaly type of like residence area, but it's different.
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So I do think that that would be a place to look for sure.
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Yeah, and a couple of things kind of pull me that direction.
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For one, the age is right in line with somebody who would have just joined the military 20
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to 22 years old.
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The fact that he didn't have any facial hair, you're not allowed to have facial hair.
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Well, I think you can have a mustache, but it's very limited.
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So he didn't have any, which also kind of leans that way.
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He had the shorter hair that was kind of slick back, like really has that kind of clean cut
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look.
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And then the other piece of it too was the car that he was driving is a newer car.
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And this is something that I kind of saw true.
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My brother was in the military, so I saw a lot of his friends kind of do a similar thing
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where when they sign up, you get like a signing bonus and you buy a new car.
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Like I saw so many young military guys do that right away.
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So the fact that this is also a new car kind of leads me to think that, well, that would
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be the first place I would start looking.
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I would want to eliminate that as a possibility first.
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You're so brilliant to me because your mind can go so far investigative wise.
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The only thing that I wrote down was he's a confident perp.
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And I think that you can align that with a young man who has just joined the military
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who, you know, if he is committing crimes like this, I would say there's a probability
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he's not in his right mind.
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And there's a possibility that he's a very, you know, like vicious person who is confident
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in what he's doing.
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And that's not to say that service people are like military service people are vicious
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or mean or have any sort of mindset.
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What I'm trying to say is I've, you know, I've met a fair amount of people in the military,
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some family members, some not friends, and a lot of them are very confident just in themselves,
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in their spirit and you know what they're there to what they're in the military to do.
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So that's more of what I'm saying is someone who definitely believes that they can get
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away with it.
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And another detail that also kind of led me to this mindset was the other girl, the 11
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year old girl who said that she somebody had approached her trying to abduct her.
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The reports don't give me the definite timeline, but kind of again and again, it says that
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it happened like a week before Jenna.
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And so it's if you know, Sunday is the day off that this guy has, he's going to have
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that Sunday every single time.
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So if it didn't work one week, he went back and tried again the next week.
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So that's just another thing that kind of led me to that direction.
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Again all speculation, maybe investigators did look into that angle and eliminated it,
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but we don't know that.
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So that's where I would start at least.
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Again I agree with you.
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I think that the statistics are there in that people who commit these types of crimes like
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to be familiar with the area that they are committing those crimes in.
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And I mean you see it everywhere, especially I mean this is maybe a bit more in line with
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serial killers, but you know, people who commit sex crimes or sexual assault crimes, they
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also like to be in the same area because they like to know the I mean they want to get away
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with it.
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So they want to know the lay of the land.
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So again yeah I think if there is a possibility for him to repeat in that same area, he will.
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Especially if he's getting away with it.
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Yeah and it's just so bold to like try it kind of two weeks in a row.
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The first time it didn't work and it seems like he just became that much more obsessed
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with the idea.
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This is kind of pivoting away from the crime itself, but I am curious to know the size
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of the police force because I don't understand the way the case was being passed around amongst
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the force.
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How did someone not know?
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Like even just like oh yeah I've never worked on it but of course I know that name.
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That seems shocking to me.
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So it seems like whether it's small or large it doesn't make sense that officers wouldn't
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know.
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Again I've never worked on a police force but I'm curious to know more about that from
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you.
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Yeah that part felt bonkers to me that someone could call and like offer help and support.
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You know this is what this guy does.
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He travels around the country kind of assisting in missing person cases and helping the family.
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That he could call and the officer not have any idea that there had been a kidnapping.
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That just blows my mind.
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But it kind of reinforces that that's how little Jenna's case was like really being
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covered.
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Even in the local media it seems like the coverage was very limited if somebody in their
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own police force didn't know.
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Unless he was brand new from vacation had been out of town for weeks and was just walking
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in and that was the first phone call he got that day.
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Maybe but still you think he'd walk in and somebody say like oh my gosh while you were
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gone like a girl was kidnapped.
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You think it would be talked about you know just around the office even if you're not
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directly working on it.
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So we do know the FBI and the Texas Rangers do get involved so other police agencies do
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help but I don't know what happened here truly.
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Yet the last thing I wrote down was you don't get to be skeptical about tips.
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This is this is the time in you know cases like these where you it's gum shoe detective
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work where you exhaust every resource every tip.
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And it definitely it seems to be that way in other cases.
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So again you know just to echo you I don't understand what happened here like how everything
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wasn't exhausted.
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Like there's no room to be skeptical of tips in a case where a child was kidnapped.
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Again I know this is my you know my emotions are involved in this because it's the first
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time I'm hearing it but it just it doesn't make sense to me.
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The ball was really dropped here at least from my perspective and I am glad to know
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that the FBI was involved later but I I do think it's important to you know hold police
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forces accountable for when there are errors like this or at least to talk about it with
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an open mind.
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Yeah I think that's should be a critical part of police work is to look at what you're doing
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how you're doing it and are there ways you can improve because I yeah you're exactly
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right there there's no time to be skeptical or to like brush off leads when you really
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don't have any coming in and you don't know what happened to this little girl.
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And like yeah some of them would be harder to track down like the example was given like
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oh we saw a girl like this in a truck stop but it's like you you need to go and like
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contact somebody that day or at least call or like whatever you can do like call the
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police in that town ask them to swing by with a picture and see if anybody working there
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recognize the girl because that can help but it's not something you can really go back
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20 30 years later and do because those people aren't working and they're probably not going
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to remember the day.
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It seemed like some of the leads they were getting maybe weren't taken as seriously I
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hope that's not the case I hope that they did do this follow up work but it really was
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just dead ends but yeah it just it feels like every lead has to be run down in any case
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but especially when you're not getting a lot you just run them all down.
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Well I think with you bringing Jenna's case and name to our podcast today will will create
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a little bit of traction around just maybe her name and case even online with our listeners.
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I really hope that if you are listening and you are on social media take the time to you
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know share the pictures that we will eventually post of Jenna because I think this is a case
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that can be solved and absolutely deserves to be solved.
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Especially with these composite sketches this is something we're going to have on our Instagram
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at Cold and Missing.
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The two composite sketches one is from the six year old Kimberly who was there and saw
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Jenna get in the car and then the other one is from that 11 year old girl who had the
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encounter the week before with very likely the same man same car and when you see these
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two composite sketches they almost just look like photocopies of each other there's just
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minor differences in like the eyebrows but I think getting that picture out and Jenna's
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picture out can bring some answers in this case.
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I think that man in the composite sketch is identifiable for sure especially given you
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know we know the kind of car he was in so if you recognize that guy and you know he
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had a gray car in 1989 that's a tip that's something.
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So again if you know anything about the disappearance of Jenna Ray Robbins or her whereabouts today
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please call Bell County Crime Stoppers at 254-526-8477 and like I said we will have
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those pictures up on our Instagram at Cold and Missing we'll have Jenna's picture as
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well as a age progression picture of her so those in the composite sketch will all be
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up on our Instagram and please follow us there if there's any any updates that you need
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about the podcast if we're gonna be missing a week or whatever happens we'll always post
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it there and we'll pin the post so you'll be able to find it and know what's going on
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with your favorite podcast.
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I mentioned it at the top but again thank you so much for those who have rated and reviewed
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us also everyone who has reached out over the past few weeks I've gotten a ton of case
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suggestions so thank you thank you thank you that's advocacy work honestly like bringing
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the case to our podcast is like you advocating for that person and then we get to bring that
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person's case to lots of listeners and that's all the work it's all victim advocacy so thank
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you so much for doing that and if you have a case that means a lot to you please reach
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out and we'll we'll chat and we'll hopefully be able to cover it here on the podcast and
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you can also go to our website www.coldandmissing.com we have our whole back catalog there as well
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as transcripts for every episode so if you or someone you love is hard of hearing you
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can follow along with the podcast there but that is all I have thank you so much for listening
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to cold and missing I'm your host Ali and I'm your co-host Eli have a great week and
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stay safe y'all stay safe y'all
