Cold and Missing: Jessica Kinsey

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Welcome back everybody.

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Hello everyone.

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Welcome back to Cold and Missing.

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We're on our sixth episode.

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Lucky number six.

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Number six, number six.

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That's my favorite number six.

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That's my favorite number.

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Perfect.

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So this should be your favorite episode.

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Well.

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Till we get to 66.

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Or the triple three.

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Six, six, six.

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Okay, so what do you got for me today?

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How are you going to break my heart?

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Oh, I got one for you.

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I got a missing case for you.

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Okay.

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Have you noticed the pattern yet?

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Oh, is it every other?

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Yeah.

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Wow, it's almost as if you've been methodical about this and have thought about it.

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Yes, we do.

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Cold case one week missing person the next week.

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I did not put that together now.

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Well, you're in on the secret now.

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Okay.

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So this is missing.

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Yes, this is a missing case, but considered endangered missing.

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So police do not suspecting the person we are covering today to come home alive at this

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point.

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Okay.

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And we are talking about Jessica Ann Kinsey.

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Jessica Ann Kinsey.

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Jessica Ann Kinsey.

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And this is taking place December 26th of 1995 in Union, Missouri.

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Alrighty.

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So a little bit of background information about Jessica.

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Jessica was born February 16th, 1981.

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And at the time of this event taking place in December of 1995, she is a 14 year old

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seventh grader at Union Middle School in Union, Missouri.

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And she really is a typical 90s teen.

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Like her favorite TV shows are America's Funniest Home Videos, Saved by the Bell and Full House.

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Yes.

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Awesome.

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Me too.

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I was also, we were all some 90s teens.

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Yes.

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Her favorite movies are Dirty Dancing and the made for TV film, Sarah Plain and Tall.

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And her favorite music was Dolly Parton and Alanis Morissette.

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And I'm like, excellent taste.

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Excellent taste all around.

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Excellent taste in media, I would say.

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I'm pretty sure somewhere in the depths of my music is a Dolly Parton, Alanis Morissette

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mix tape.

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Sure.

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Like that's great combo.

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So Jessica at this time is living with her mom, her stepdad and her step siblings who

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are twins.

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Her family says that she is shy around strangers but was outgoing with her friends.

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Her favorite color is hunter green.

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And this girl, first off for the 90s, I think hunter green is a very, it's a beautiful color.

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And it's a very like interesting color for like a teenage girl to be like, this is my

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favorite color.

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Her room was painted hunter green and the clothes that she was last seen wearing was

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a dark green jacket, dark green Levi's, a green scrunchie and a green sweatshirt with

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a white turtleneck.

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So she was like, I am on a chromatic moment.

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Yeah.

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She was like, I'm on my hunter green right now and I live for it.

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So let's, you know, I love hunter green camo.

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It's a camo stuff.

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I just think like when I think of like a 90s teenage girl, like I think, you know, like

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like a pink windbreaker.

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It's a poofy high ponytail.

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Yeah.

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And like the neon that was just so popular in the 90s, like bright colors.

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Like that was all very like, precisely.

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Yeah.

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Like it was very like teen, but like a hunter green is just like more, it's like a more

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mature and I really liked that her room was painted like this.

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She's got more of an edge.

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Yeah.

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She was like, I don't care about the neon.

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More unique spin.

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Yeah.

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She was like, I know what I like.

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It's not the neon.

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It's the hunter green.

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So let's get into it.

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Tuesday, December 26th, 1995.

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So this is the day after Christmas.

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Jessica's parents, Ron and Mary Klein, they're both at home.

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You know, it's the day after Christmas.

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A lot of folks stay home that next day and Jessica heads to a friend's house to show

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off her Christmas presents.

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She really wants to show her friend her new jacket, her gloves, her purse and her scarf.

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Oh my God.

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I used to love doing like Christmas morning.

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My friends and I would call each other and be like, what did you get?

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And I would like open up all my Kohl's boxes.

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That was the like when we knew we were doing well was when like I saw a Kohl's box on Christmas

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morning.

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Yeah.

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You knew you were about to get that candies from Kohl's.

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Oh my God.

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I loved doing that.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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So this is the next day.

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She was like, okay, I'm ready to go like show off on my friend.

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We're about to do a fashion show.

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Yeah.

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So we go over to her friend's house and Jessica calls her mom at two, says she's having a

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great time and she'll call again at five to let her mom know if she's going to stay at

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her friend's house for dinner or if she's going to come home and eat dinner.

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Pretty typical.

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Yeah.

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A girl's day, a girl's dinner.

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A girl's day, a girl's dinner.

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Let's go.

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At 5 30, Jessica's mother Mary calls the friend's house because Jessica has not called at this

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time.

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The friend's mom says that 23 year old Jimmy Hopkins had picked her up.

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Now Jimmy is the son of one of Mary's friends and he and his mother are family friends of

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Jessica and Mary and Ron and Jessica knows both of them well.

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Before leaving the friend's house, Jessica asked her friend's mom to call her mother

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and let her know that Jimmy had picked her up.

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But the friend's mother forgot to do this and doesn't inform Mary until Mary calls

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her at 5 30.

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So Mary immediately calls the cops because Jimmy had no reason to pick her up and it's

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5 30 and she's not home yet.

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The friends lived close by.

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She should have been home already and it seems like she might have been picked up a little

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bit before five o'clock from the friend's house.

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So she should have been home by now.

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Got it.

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The police then do their favorite thing and they treat Jessica as a runaway.

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Her friends and family say it is unlike her.

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She would have no reason to do this and also she has no reason to leave with a married

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man nine years her senior.

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Also why would she be running away to her friend's house like making her whereabouts

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known?

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Like she's in, if she was going to run away, then she would run away.

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Yeah, she went to her friend's house and then had plans to have like maybe a dinner there.

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So use some context clues guys.

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Like come on.

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I know it makes my blood boil that they're like, well, she probably ran away because

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they assume she got in the car willingly.

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So she wanted to go with him and it's like, okay, dumb, dumb, but like she's 14.

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Anyway, so police do their favorite thing and treat her as a runaway.

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Mary believes that Jessica wouldn't have thought twice about getting in a car with Jimmy since

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he was a family friend.

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And Mary says, quote, I don't think my daughter felt anybody was a bad person.

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Jesse was so naive.

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End quote.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm frowning.

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I don't think that that's a naive quality.

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I kind of have that quality.

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I think she's just saying is that, you know, this 14 year old girl hadn't been out in the

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world yet.

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And you know, as adults, we see a 23 year old picking up a 14 year old who has no reason

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to and like our alarm bells are going off.

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Oh yeah.

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The first thing my brain said was I've never heard a good ending to that sentence.

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No.

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Yeah.

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So like my brain immediately.

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So I understand.

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I don't think she's saying like night, like Jesse is naive.

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Jessica is naive as like a negative thing.

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I think it's just like the fact she was 14, like why would she think that her family friend

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would do anything bad to her?

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Yeah.

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She, you know, she'd been living.

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Childhood innocence.

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Yeah.

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It's normal for kids to be that way.

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Totally.

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So this is what we know about Jimmy picking up Jessica.

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So Jimmy pays a local man.

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His name is Mark Henderson to give him and Jessica a ride in his Aqua Teal two door 1994

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Chevrolet Cavalier.

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Jimmy tells Mark that Jessica is pregnant and that they are going to go to Niagara Falls

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to get married.

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Jimmy then produces a pair of wedding rings and shows them to Mark.

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But Jimmy again is already married, right?

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He has a wife already.

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The plan is for Mark to drive Jimmy and Jessica to Indiana where Jimmy's relatives would pick

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them up and then drive them the rest of the way to Niagara Falls.

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And Mark is quoted as saying that during this car ride, Jessica is completely silent and

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is just sitting in the backseat with her head down.

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So she's not saying a single word.

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Eventually Jimmy, Jessica and Mark make it to Cloverdale, Indiana.

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This is taking a turn that I did not expect at all.

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Right?

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I'm like, wait, what's happening?

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Yeah.

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So I like thought I didn't hear you right at first.

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Yeah.

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This is the story that Jimmy has cooked up that he is going to marry Jessica because

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she is pregnant.

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And Mary, Jessica's mother says she knows Jessica is not pregnant.

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And she says that there are medical reasons.

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She knows that Jessica is not pregnant.

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Okay.

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So she doesn't get into what those are, but her mother seems very adamant that there's

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no way her daughter is pregnant.

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Sure.

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Jimmy, Jessica and Mark make it to Cloverdale, Indiana and check into the Dollar Inn.

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Cloverdale is about four hours away from Union and Mark is in room 224 and Jessica and Jimmy

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go into room 222.

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So they split up for the evening.

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No, never go to a second location.

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Stressful, right?

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So we're back in Union.

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Later that night, Jimmy's mother and his wife come over to see Mary.

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Okay.

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And they tell Mary that Jimmy said he was going to get Jessica.

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And I'm like, ladies, why didn't you raise the fucking alarm?

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Like you, he said he was going to get this girl and you didn't like think to warn his

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mother, like her mother that like, hey, something's going on here.

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Is this like the first time that everyone is figure figuring out that this man is behaving

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this way?

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I don't know.

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I'm assuming that if he said to his mother or mother-in-law, his mother, his mother and

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his wife, like, oh, I'm going to go pick up blah, blah, blah.

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And to their knowledge, that's, that would be normal.

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If they're all, if the family is all friends and well, here's the other little bit.

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He had also taken his wife's birth certificate, her social security card and her driver's

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license with him.

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And they knew that?

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They knew that.

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Okay.

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So this is just fucking weird.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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Yeah.

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And I think Jimmy's maybe doing this to pass Jessica off as his wife.

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Oh yeah.

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A hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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I'm assuming that's why else would you do that?

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And again, I don't know why the police, like this information is here.

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Like, why are the police going to treat her as a runaway?

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This 23 year old man seems to be wanting to pass off this 14 year old as his wife.

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Like, that sounds like a kidnapping, sir.

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I'm just like, how is it already this far?

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And nothing has, no action has been taken.

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That doesn't make, okay.

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Yeah.

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Continue.

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Yeah.

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So that's the first day that she goes missing, the 26th.

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One day.

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That's one day.

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She starts the day at her parents' house.

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She ends the day in this motel with Jimmy Hopkins.

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With an adult man who has just kidnapped her.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Late on the 26th, early the 27th, sometime during that night, late that night, Mark tells

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detectives that during the night he heard loud noises coming from the room where Jessica

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was with Jimmy.

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And at one point Mark says, it sounds like a body hit the wall because their rooms are

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next to each other so they would have a shared wall at this motel and it sounds like a body

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hits that wall.

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And then Mark's story changes a few times or it's reported kind of differently here,

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but it both ends up in the same place.

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So first Mark tells police that Jimmy answered the door fully closed because Mark hears all

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this, so he goes over to see what's going on.

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So first Mark tells police that Jimmy answers the door fully closed, blocked Mark's view

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of the room and would not let Mark in and Jimmy dismisses the noise as quote, rough

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sex.

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A police report however says that Mark knocked on the door and got no response for about

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five minutes.

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Jimmy then called out from inside of the room that everything was fine and that they had

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been having rough sex because they hadn't seen each other for a long time.

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So if Jimmy came to the door, if he didn't, that's kind of the discrepancy within those

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two stories and if Mark was able to see into the room.

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And you aren't having rough sex, you are assaulting a minor.

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Yes.

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Period.

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It's, yeah, it's assault.

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That's what's happening.

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It's assault.

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He's assaulting it.

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But he's, that's how Jimmy is explaining all of this noise.

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Yeah, I understand.

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I just like want to-

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Make it clear he's assaulting this.

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Well yeah, and that like, I don't know, so often in media it's like he had sex with this

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15 year old girl and it's like no he didn't.

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He assaulted a minor, a child who cannot consent to that.

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You know.

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Exactly.

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So I just wanted to, that kind of shit just like makes my-

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Yeah, I get it.

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Mark either way seems satisfied with whatever Jimmy tells him and he goes back to his room

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and goes to sleep.

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So he's a fucking idiot too.

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He's a fucking idiot too, yeah.

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So next morning, Wednesday, December 27th, Mark wakes up and realizes that Jimmy, Jessica

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and his car are all missing.

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Fooled you, Mark.

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Got you, Mark.

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Yes, snatched you, Mark.

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This idiot.

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Like what did you think that plan was, man?

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Apparently he took everything at face value and was still like-

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He's like, yeah, go marry this kid.

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Yeah, he's like, yeah, I'll drive you to Indiana.

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Yeah.

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The fuck?

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So you can marry a kid in Canada.

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Let's do it.

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Go for it.

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Mark calls police to report his car is stolen and Indiana police will fail to enter the

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report and vehicle information into the National Crime Information Center system.

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Wow.

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Yes, they will fail to do this for over a month which loses the chance of other law

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enforcement potentially stopping or finding the car earlier in the case.

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I imagine that like receiving that information, them on the phone, hanging up the phone, then

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ripping the phone out of the wall and then just throwing it and then moving on and saying,

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goodbye.

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How?

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They plug in a new phone and they're like, all right, next case.

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I don't understand.

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You know, to give the benefit of the doubt, maybe they're like, oh, the car is going to

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turn up.

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Maybe they went for breakfast or to meet these relatives and they'll be back.

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You know, it's before cell phones.

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So like-

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But even if you're sitting at your desk, you wouldn't even write down like, okay, what's

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the year of making model?

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Do you know that?

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Well, no, they have that information.

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Okay.

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The police take all that information in Indiana, but they don't put it into the system that

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would let other police departments know it and be on the lookout for this vehicle and

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this guy and this minor.

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So they said, here's one for you.

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Yeah.

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They can't see you flicking me off.

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Also on Wednesday, the 27th, about 300 miles away in Paris, Tennessee, which is about five

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hours from Cloverdale, Jimmy pawns his grandmother's wedding ring.

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So he has a little bit of a cashflow at this point.

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And then New Year's is going to come and go.

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Nothing really happens until January of 1996.

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So this is the next few weeks because she went missing right at the end of December,

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but we are in January and we're in a new year of 1996, but she has not been gone that long.

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So on Saturday, January 6th, an unidentified male, not Jimmy, drops Mark's car off at

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a garage in Los Angeles, California, and it's abandoned.

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And then sometime in January, it's not that I couldn't find a specific date for this,

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but Indiana police will finally enter the report of Mark's stolen car into the NCIC

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and this will help the car be found by police.

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So police end up finding this car.

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It's been reported stolen in Indiana.

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Let's show us up in LA and Jimmy is located working at an ice cream or a yogurt shop,

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maybe an ice cream yogurt shop.

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Well, it's reported as an ice cream shop and then it's also reported as a yogurt shop.

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Did you say that he was working there?

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He's working there.

370
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Yeah.

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That's what made me laugh.

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He's working at a basket.

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Yeah.

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They find him working there at the corner of Sunset Boulevard and the Pacific Coast

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Highway and this will be close to where the car was dropped off and abandoned.

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The shop owner confirms that a girl would come into the shop frequently while Jimmy

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was working and other witnesses say that they had seen a girl matching Jessica's description

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at the shop as well.

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No cameras?

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No, no cameras.

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This is 1995 and this is kind of interesting.

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They never say that Jessica was ID'd in California.

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It's never said that witnesses confirmed out of photo lineup, they picked Jessica out of

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it and be like, that's the girl I saw.

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But they say that somebody matching Jessica's description is seen there and Kyle Kitcher,

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who is the lead detective on this case at the time, says, quote, we believe she made

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it to California.

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So at this time, they think that-

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Is there any receipts on why they believe that?

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No receipts on why they believe that.

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They think it's just because of these witnesses that say they saw a girl matching the description.

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They think she made it to California though.

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In April of 1996, so Jessica's been missing-

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This poor family.

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This poor family.

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In April of 1996, so this is about four months she's been missing, Jimmy returns to Union,

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Missouri without Jessica.

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And Jimmy will begin to tell different accounts to different people of where Jessica is as

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soon as he gets in.

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So he starts telling different stories to different people immediately.

401
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Talking out of each side of his mouth.

402
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,080
Yeah.

403
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,080
Isn't that how that saying goes?

404
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Talking out of both sides of his mouth.

405
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Yeah, you taught me that.

406
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:49,080
I mean-

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In June of 1996, Jimmy meets his second wife, Anna.

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So he has gotten divorced or is getting divorced, but he meets the person who will become his

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second wife during this time.

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In November of 1996, so she's been missing for about 11 months, almost a year at this

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point, police finally questioned Jimmy about Jessica.

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This is the first time they talked to him about her.

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I feel like if I was the family, I would have flown to LA at that point already and been

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like, where the fuck is my kid?

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Now that I'm not saying anything against the family, I have no idea what I would actually

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do in that, how I would respond.

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But not even the cops?

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How did you not get your ass out there immediately?

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How did you not talk to this guy when he showed up without this minor?

420
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:42,200
Yeah.

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I mean, regardless, you didn't do whatever.

422
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,440
I mean, I think they should have jumped on this immediately and treated it as a kidnapping

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because it was.

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But almost a year later and you're like, well, let's go talk to the guy who was last seen

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with her.

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So November 1996, it is reported that police finally questioned Jimmy about Jessica.

427
00:22:01,020 --> 00:22:04,200
Maybe they talked to him beforehand and we just don't have reports of it.

428
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Sure.

429
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,380
But this is the first time that it's reported.

430
00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:13,120
So Franklin County, and that's in Missouri, that's where Union is, has warrants for Jimmy

431
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for passing bad checks done in the days leading up to Jessica's abduction.

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So with these passing of the bad checks, it would suggest that maybe this was a plan.

433
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Like he was planning days leading up to this because like, why do you need all this money?

434
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And then you're pawning.

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I would say it was a shitty plan, but it seemed like it was really fucking easy for him to

436
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get away with it.

437
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,800
Yeah, it sure does.

438
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,280
I mean, thus far, I don't know what else you're about to tell me about him.

439
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:42,280
Yeah.

440
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:48,360
So in this interview in November, Jimmy tells police that Jessica is living in a motel in

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LA with a man named Capone.

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Jimmy gives them the address, readily gives them the address for it.

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Says, sure.

444
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,720
Yeah, this is where she is.

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You can go knock on the door right now and talk to her.

446
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So Jimmy gives them the address for this motel, but when police check it out, it is a field

447
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that has been vacant for years.

448
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Doesn't exist.

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Never existed.

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In her missing person flyers, it will say that she possibly has a neck tattoo that says

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Capone.

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So somewhere at this time, Jimmy says she is getting a neck tattoo.

453
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A 14 year old is getting a neck tattoo with the word Capone on it.

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And this is in her missing person flyer as like a possible clue to look for her.

455
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But I just think it's bullshit because it's clearly made up.

456
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Jimmy clearly made it.

457
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Why are you even associating this Capone character with her?

458
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Because it's a character.

459
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He's made up.

460
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So this all happens at the end of 1996.

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And then that's a little bit of the last we hear.

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But in the years following, Jimmy will tell more than one person that he killed her and

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dumped her body.

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And he tells one person it was near a lake, which prompted a search, but it yielded nothing.

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And I couldn't find any details about where this lake was or when the search happened.

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But I did find a report that a lake was searched in regards to Jessica because of what Jimmy

467
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was saying.

468
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And Jimmy would even shout at Mary across the parking lot that Jessica is dead and she

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should just get over it.

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In 2001, the union police will hand the case off to the LAPD because they believe she was

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murdered in LA.

472
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And I got that information.

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The parents started a website specifically for Jessica.

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And so there were some updates.

475
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And that's where I got this information from.

476
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:49,000
And it's unclear when the case will move back to the union police department, but they are

477
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handling the case again by 2004.

478
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So there's some handoff.

479
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Is that common?

480
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:02,520
I guess if a possible victim or survivor is taken across multiple state lines and stuff?

481
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,080
Well, usually the FBI gets involved when state lines are involved.

482
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And I don't know if the FBI was ever invited in on this case or if they were and it just

483
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:14,440
wasn't publicized.

484
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There was very little reports I could find about Jessica.

485
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:23,720
And honestly, I came to know this case because a former coworker of mine went to school with

486
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Jessica and knew her and she told me about it.

487
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Oh, no way.

488
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,360
Yeah.

489
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,360
Wow.

490
00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:33,800
But yeah, so 2004 police will try to talk to Jimmy, but he'll refuse.

491
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And apparently police reportedly approach Jimmy every single year to ask about Jessica

492
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,200
and her disappearance.

493
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But Jimmy always lawyers up and refuses to talk.

494
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And then in December of 2005, so she's been missing 10 years at this point, the union

495
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:58,200
police chief will talk informally with Jimmy and he'll walk away convinced that Jimmy killed

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Jessica.

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However, police can't use what is told to them because during the interview, Jimmy was

498
00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,800
never read his Miranda rights.

499
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,520
So nothing that he was said could ever be admissible in court and cannot be used against

500
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him.

501
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,840
And this was the union police chief?

502
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:17,840
Yeah.

503
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Like the person at the top.

504
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,240
In theory.

505
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,560
I don't understand how you make that kind of mistake.

506
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:26,560
I don't.

507
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,200
And that's, I don't even know if it was a mistake.

508
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,120
I wonder if they went in with the intention of like, just tell us.

509
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,120
But like, again, I'm like, that's kind of shitty police work.

510
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:40,200
Well, I think that's been established.

511
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:41,200
Yeah.

512
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,520
It's not like they were like doing a great job and all of a sudden they like drop the

513
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:45,520
ball at the end.

514
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,480
You know, it's like, was this them just trying to get an answer?

515
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,880
I don't know.

516
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:57,800
But it, um, maybe to confirm some part of something else they had already had, but still

517
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,800
it wouldn't matter.

518
00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,800
I don't know.

519
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:08,200
But either way, nothing that he has said during this interview can be used by the police chief.

520
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,480
This is Mary's quote here, but quote, but he told me Mary, I know he killed your little

521
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,700
girl and quote.

522
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:20,640
So the police chief is convinced he knows it, knows it.

523
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:26,520
And in 2001 in the, you know, update that the parents said, they specifically use the

524
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800
word they believe she was murdered in LA.

525
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,040
So whatever information the police have at this point, and again, Jimmy's kind of telling

526
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,360
everybody that he killed her and dumped her body somewhere.

527
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:39,360
Yeah.

528
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,360
He's like, I don't care.

529
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,360
Yeah.

530
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:46,800
The friend that, or, you know, my former coworker, she had her own story about what Jimmy had

531
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,480
said from like a friend of a friend who was at a party.

532
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,120
Like Jimmy got drunk at a party and like started blabbing about what he did to Jessica.

533
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:58,200
It's like a, Bo-Dukes.

534
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,200
That's exactly what he did with in relation to Tara Grinstead.

535
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,320
So he got drunk and told everybody.

536
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,320
Yeah.

537
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:09,720
But with this information, whatever the police gets from this informal interview with Jimmy,

538
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:16,200
in 2006, the family will decide to hold a memorial service for Jessica.

539
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,960
And this is the only memorial service that they have ever held.

540
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:26,240
I think at that point, they believe that she has been murdered and is gone.

541
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:34,280
And then on April 12th, 2008, Jimmy Hopkins will murder his second wife, Anna, before

542
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,920
killing himself in their home in Joplin, Missouri.

543
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:44,520
It's reported that Anna was going to leave Jimmy and this is possibly what prompted him

544
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,240
to murder Anna.

545
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:53,880
Police say that Jimmy handcuffed Anna's hands behind her back and shot her.

546
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,880
So he's a coward.

547
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,880
Like you're a murderer.

548
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,800
You're like scum anyway, but like you're not even going to like let this woman fight.

549
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,160
No, that says like, that's like sadistic to me.

550
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,160
Yeah.

551
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,080
And I imagine if you're doing that, that person probably had those handcuffs on for a little

552
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,680
while before they were killed.

553
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,680
Yeah.

554
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:19,600
And there's not a lot of details around this murder-suicide, but Jimmy and Anna will leave

555
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,200
behind two young children.

556
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:27,880
And Mary is quoted as saying, I think Jimmy Hopkins is the only person who knew what happened

557
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,120
to my daughter and he's the only person who knew where he buried the body.

558
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,000
End quote.

559
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:38,720
So that last line about the only person who buried the body, I think that comes from that

560
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,920
informal interview that it to me seems like Jimmy murdered Jessica.

561
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,160
I imagine it happened in that motel room.

562
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,160
Yeah.

563
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,160
I think it happened in that hotel room.

564
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:57,520
Like maybe he like threw her without the intention of killing her.

565
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,520
He did.

566
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,560
And then like he took the body, drove it to LA, dumped it there.

567
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Yeah.

568
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:04,560
And then he drove it along the way.

569
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:05,560
Yeah.

570
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,560
I think it happened like super fast.

571
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
I don't think it was this long drawn out.

572
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,440
No.

573
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,760
And I don't think she made it to, I don't think she was alive in California.

574
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Me neither.

575
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:14,760
I don't think that that's who that was.

576
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,840
I think he probably found another girl to be like, come visit me at my basket.

577
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:20,840
Yeah.

578
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:21,840
My ice cream shop.

579
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,840
Yeah.

580
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,920
But it's just like Anna didn't have to die if police did their job.

581
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,880
You know, like Jimmy should have been locked up a long time ago.

582
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:30,880
Oh no.

583
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280
This is, I mean, it's on him.

584
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:39,560
But the weight of the responsibility falls to like their like terrible decision making

585
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:40,560
and mistakes.

586
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:41,560
It's really sad.

587
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:42,560
Yes.

588
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,560
It's, it's horrible.

589
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,760
And you know, Jimmy and Anna had children together that were left behind.

590
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Jimmy had children from his first marriage as well.

591
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,760
I feel bad like even like saying it, but I'm like, thank God that like she somehow, like

592
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Jimmy and his first wife, like he didn't kill her.

593
00:30:58,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Yeah.

594
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:00,840
He didn't kill his first wife.

595
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Yeah.

596
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,840
That's what I'm saying.

597
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:03,840
I know what I want to say.

598
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,000
Like, thank God, but that's doesn't seem right because two other people have died.

599
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,000
I'm just like, I don't know.

600
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,440
The whole situation is terrible.

601
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,440
Yeah.

602
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,240
It seems like anybody who was in his path was really in danger.

603
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:14,240
Yeah.

604
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,960
I think I'm having that feeling of like, oh my God, I was alone with that person.

605
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,080
Like I've been intimate with this person.

606
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,480
Like I have a child with this person, you know?

607
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Yeah.

608
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,920
But yeah, Jessica, she's still listed as missing in most places.

609
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,680
She, you know, it's a missing person flyer for her.

610
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Anybody with any information about what happened to Jessica, please call the union police at

611
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,000
636-583-3700.

612
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:51,240
And again, especially like people who grew up in union and maybe went to high school

613
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,960
with Jimmy or like partied in union in like the nineties, early two thousands.

614
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,160
Jimmy was getting drunk and talking at parties and was telling a lot of people what he did.

615
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,560
So I think that like Mary should, you know, have her daughter's body.

616
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,520
Like that should be the piece that she gets in this life, you know?

617
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:14,600
So anybody who knows anything, I know Jimmy like somewhere between everything he said,

618
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,760
there's breadcrumbs of the truth.

619
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,120
So it's like if all those things could be like teased out.

620
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Someone somewhere knows something.

621
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,800
They do.

622
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,120
And you know, even, you know, I don't want to report on what my coworker said because

623
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,760
I couldn't find it anywhere else and I couldn't substantiate it.

624
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,760
But you know, wildly different stories.

625
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:40,400
Sources for this week's episode come from the St. Louis dispatch, the Missouri in the

626
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Joplin globe, the Charlie project, the national center for missing and exploited children

627
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,360
and the parents website.

628
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,360
My name is Jessica.

629
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Thank you for providing those.

630
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,560
Yeah.

631
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,160
I'm so sad.

632
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Like she woke up like day after Christmas, like all jazz to wear her favorite outfit

633
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,000
and like probably had an awesome day planned.

634
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:10,280
And this guy, like ends the girls day short shows up and like I don't know how he got

635
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,360
Jessica in the car.

636
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,360
That's not reported.

637
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:17,960
But you know, I remember like my parents like coaching me in the nineties being like, even

638
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,640
if it's someone you know, like if they don't say this password, like don't get in the car

639
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,600
with them, even if they're like, your mom's in the hospital, your mom told me to come

640
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:27,600
get you.

641
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,120
Like don't get in the car with them.

642
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,600
Like I remember that like kind of coaching.

643
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,160
Well, you and I grew up with murderino mothers.

644
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,160
Completely.

645
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:42,920
They've been instilling this true crime fear in us for ever.

646
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:43,920
Yeah.

647
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,800
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648
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,320
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649
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