Cold and Missing: Joanna ‘Jino’ Wright

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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.

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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature

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audience.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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Welcome back everyone.

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Welcome to Cold and Missing.

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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin.

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I am your other host, Eli Sulkowski.

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We are husband and wife and I do the research.

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Eli brings the reactions.

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That's not true.

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You play a very important role.

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I'm also, I'm making a movie right now.

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We don't need to talk about that, but I'm a busy guy.

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Yeah, you're a busy guy.

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You have a lot of side hustles.

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Hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle, hustle.

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But no, I do the research, bring you the story and Eli's here listening for the first time

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and reacting and being an active listener with you all.

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So, yeah, that's Cold and Missing.

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That's where we're at.

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That's where we're at.

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What episode is this?

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This is eight, if I'm not mistaken.

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Ocho.

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Ocho.

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Wow.

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Sweet.

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Two months we've been doing this.

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Yeah.

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Hell yeah, brother.

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Hell yeah, brother.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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That's really cool.

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I'm very proud of you, honey.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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It's been my goal just to get past that 10 episode hump.

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A lot of podcasts will have what's called pod fade.

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So there's a lot of podcasts-

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What's that, the honeymoon phase?

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Yeah.

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So there's a lot of podcasts out there in the world.

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This is when you start seeing the underwear on the floor.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, the dishes in the sink.

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You start to notice.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So a lot of podcasts start to fade.

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And a lot don't make it past their 10th episode.

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So that's my goal, make it past 10.

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I want to make it way past 10, but as of right now, those are short term goals.

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Yeah, wow.

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That made my heart sink a little bit.

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I was like, what the hell is she saying?

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I don't know this plan.

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She's saying it on the air.

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It's live.

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It's live.

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It's not live.

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It's not.

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They know that.

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Wow, giggly.

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This is our first time recording at night, so we're a little tired.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we've had a full day.

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So this is interesting.

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We're coming to you Sunday night.

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This will drop tomorrow, Monday.

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Sunday night.

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Eli and I went to Monster Trucks recently.

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So there's been a lot of announcer voice in the house.

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And also, by the way, if you've never been to a Monster Truck rally, go.

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Go.

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What are you waiting for?

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Yeah.

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So you don't need to know a single thing about Monster Trucks to get into it immediately.

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I knew nothing and immediately was like, OK, I get it.

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They're big and they're doing stuff.

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But I got the racing and the freestyle.

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They're like bears on wheels.

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Yeah, the handstand thing they're doing.

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I got it.

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I kept up.

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And shout out to our friend Keaton, who is an announcer for Monster Jam.

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And she hooked us up with tickets.

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So if you're listening, thank you.

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Yeah, thank you, Keaton.

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You.

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Hooray.

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Yeah, it's so cool.

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Shout out to Keaton.

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Shout out to Monster Trucks.

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A big shout out to Trucks.

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Because they're so big.

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Do you remember what we're on this week?

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Missing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You got it.

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So we're on Missing this week.

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It's a 50-50 chance every week.

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Yeah, so you got that going for you.

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True or false?

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Wowie.

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So we are covering Joanna Gino Wright.

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And this takes place December 18, 2016.

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I'm going to call Joanna by Jino because that is the name that she went by.

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And just like a quick note at the top here about pronouns.

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She is a part of the LGBT community and is a proud stud, her words.

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And so I just did a lot of digging on her Facebook just to make sure I was using the

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correct pronouns.

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And I saw videos where she was referring to herself as she her.

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So I will use those pronouns throughout our podcast today.

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Jino is 33 years old when this takes place in 2016.

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But as of today in 2022, she would be 38 years old.

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And this takes place in the Marquette Park neighborhood on the south side of Chicago.

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A little bit of background information about her.

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She's an LGBT activist and a proud stud.

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She worked as a hairstylist specializing in braids and locks and had lived in the Marquette

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neighborhood for 30 years and was well known and well liked by the community.

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Hell yeah.

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She also goes by the name Jojo and Doo Wop.

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Wow.

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Incredible nicknames.

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Jino, Jojo and Doo Wop.

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I would take any of those.

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I know.

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Great nickname.

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I'm like, yeah, call me Jino.

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What's up Jino?

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Like what a great, it's a great name to shout.

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Yeah.

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Everyone wants a friend named Jino

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For sure.

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At the time of her disappearance, she was five foot two, a hundred pounds.

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She had brown hair that she wore in locks, but the ends were dyed a really bright red.

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Cool.

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Brown eyes and lots of tattoos all over her body, but both of her sleeves or both of her

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arms had tattoo sleeves on them.

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And so a couple of her more noticeable tattoos out there for our listeners to be aware.

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On one of her arms, she has the name Londa below two rainbow venus's, the name Joseph,

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red orange, yellow, green and purple stars, swirls, a rose on her chest.

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She has the name Mary and then 1936 through 2009 underneath it.

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And then she has a tattoo on her throat as well.

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And I couldn't quite make out what it is, but there's definitely like a number two that's

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very large and centered on her throat.

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It's very noticeable and then some words around it, but I couldn't quite make out the words

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from the photographs that I was looking at, but it's a large number two.

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So let's get into it.

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Let's do it.

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So December 18th, 2016, Jino was walking home from a friend's house on 63rd Avenue between

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Rockwell and Tallman and 63rd for those unfamiliar with Chicago or with this area in Chicago.

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This is a very busy street.

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There's a major bus that runs along it.

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The 63 bus runs along it and there's actually a bus stop within this block that we're talking

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about and there's also a very large senior assisted living center that runs along several

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blocks, but also includes this block that we're talking about.

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So very busy intersection, lots of traffic.

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At around 1 45 PM, a blue 2015 2016 Mazda pulls up next to Jino as she's walking home.

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The blue Mazda has Ohio plates on it.

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So three men jump out and attempt to throw Jino into the car.

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Jino is yelling for help and trying to fight three men off while this is happening.

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I know my heart is racing.

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Yeah, I'm like this is like, well, I'm speaking from before my medical transition.

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Well, I guess it's still now, but I think it's most women's worst fear.

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And I guess it's still mine too.

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So it's really, it hit me like, oh, my body immediately responded.

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Every time I read it, like my heart races.

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So three men are attempting to pull her into this car, but she's fighting them off.

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And then possibly a fourth man or one of the men, it's unclear if it's three or four men,

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but possibly a fourth man hits her in the head and throws her in the car.

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Yeah.

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So they get her into the car and witnesses see Jino being abducted because it's 1 45

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in the afternoon.

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It is during the middle of the day.

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No one did anything.

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Well, immediately 9-1-1 is called.

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So police are there quickly, but nobody intercepted as she's fighting.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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I don't know if maybe people saw like, you know, at the old folks home.

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So they were like inside, like up several flights of stairs.

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So like the quickest thing they could do was call 9-1-1.

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Like they couldn't, I don't know if there was nobody out on the streets.

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I don't know what you would think cars would pull over.

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You would think that.

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Um, yeah.

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And again, it's December, so not a lot of people are outside.

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It's colder.

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Yeah, but, but witnesses see it.

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Oh, oh, she, she is like screaming for help when this happens.

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So I know, I know.

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Investigators will attempt to track Jino by using her cell phone, but the last location

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for the phone is where she's abducted from.

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They probably immediately turned it off.

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That's what I'm assuming.

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Um, it, it's unclear.

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I could never find, um, again, like other cases that we've gone over before, there's

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not a lot of information out there about this.

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Sometimes there's missing pieces to our puzzle because, because they are, there are cases

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that are on, they're cold and missing.

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Like we don't have it.

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Pieces are going to be missing.

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Pieces are going to be missing.

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Exactly.

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So, and I mean, our hope is that somebody out there knows something.

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Yeah.

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Hopefully one of you has a missing piece or knows someone who knows someone who has a missing

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piece, you know, that's like why we're doing this.

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Yeah.

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It's unclear if her cell phone is retrieved from that location.

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If maybe it's dropped and that's why it's pinged or if it's immediately shut off.

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Uh, unclear, but the last location it pings is the place she is abducted from.

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This happens December 18th, Christmas and New Year's will come and go.

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And there's not a lot of reports about it or what's happening.

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But in January, January 11th, actually the family will gather to pass out flyers and

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to get the word out about her being missing and her abduction.

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And police at this point are not calling it a kidnapping.

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And as of 2022, in their description of her case and like her last known whereabouts,

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they'll say that she was possibly abducted.

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To me, it's an abduction.

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If somebody is yelling help and being forced into a vehicle where I'm sitting, that's

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an abduction.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to go ahead and say yeah to that.

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As of January, 2017.

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So this would just be a few weeks after Jino went missing, but we're in a new year now.

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Police are gathering security video in the area because again, it's 2017.

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There is a lot of good security footage out there.

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And this is again, a busy road for our listeners out there that follow us on Instagram.

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I'm going to include some Google Earth images that I mean, it'll show you even if you're

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completely unfamiliar with Chicago that this is a busy road and it would be wild to think

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about somebody being abducted in broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon and it's still

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go this far with nothing.

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And as of January, 2017, the alderman for the ward will offer a $500 reward for information.

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And then there's not a lot of updates.

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The next update that I could really find happens November 15th of 2017.

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Your birthday.

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That stuff always happens on my birthday.

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I know October, November, December always has like wild stuff happening.

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I know I remember like, I think from like some of the like classic serial killers who

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don't need any more attention.

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They tend tended to kill a lot around my birthday.

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Hey, didn't you know I was going to be born 40 years later?

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How could you?

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The drama.

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So yeah, almost a year later on November 15, 2017, police confirm that they have located

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the car that they believe was used in the abduction of Gino.

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But there was no trace of Jino anywhere in the car.

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And I saw one report that the vehicle with the Ohio license plates, this 2015, 2016 Mazda,

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that it could possibly have been a rental car.

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So it'd be like professionally cleaned in between uses and stuff.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And there would be like hundreds of like fingerprints and stuff.

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Yeah.

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But there should be a pretty clear record of who had the car on that date.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So and that's, yeah.

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No report of who rented the car, if it was a rental car, even if it was a rental car.

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But yeah, and it could have been a rental that was stolen.

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Yeah, there's a lot of possibilities about this car.

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But police confirmed that they seem to have located it, but there was no trace of Jino

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with the car.

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And so at the one year mark, December 16, 2017, or around the one year mark, I should

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say, family hold a vigil for Jino.

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At the vigil, the family of Marlo, I think it's pronounced Gully.

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I'm going to look more into this.

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His family is also there.

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And Marlo is a friend of Jino.

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And Marlo goes missing within blocks of where Jino was last seen on October 9, 2017.

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So less than a year later.

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And like I said, Marlo and Jino were friends and knew each other.

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Yeah.

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So his family is there to support and to be with Jino's family.

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But then they are also joined by the family of Shanti Bohannan.

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And she went missing within blocks, July 23, 2016.

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So that's five months before Jino.

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And yeah, disappeared within blocks of Jino and Marlo.

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And her body is later found in a trash can in an abandoned building.

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You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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And the case is still unsolved.

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So Jino, Marlo, and Shanti all knew each other according to community members.

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So they all seem to have known each other, but Marlo and Jino knew each other the best.

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Like they are in like Facebook photos together, that kind of thing.

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Wow.

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Oh shit.

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Yeah.

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So community believe- In a trash can.

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I know.

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Well, there's also, and I think I'm going to cover like this stuff and Marlo as well,

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because they are both unresolved.

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So I think I'm going to cover them kind of right after this as like part of a little

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series because they all do seem to be connected.

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So also the Chicago Strangler theory and two of those bodies were found in trash cans.

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So I want to like look into it all a little bit more.

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Yeah.

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I think that, I definitely think that we should.

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And I have a feeling that some of our listeners will want to like maybe go on that navigational

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journey with us.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So community members believe that all of these deaths are connected, but police have never

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confirmed or denied this.

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And then to quote a community member, Dawn Valenti, quote, we know that something is

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happening over here, that people just keep disappearing over here, end quote.

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Sierra Mobley, who was Jino's girlfriend at the time, is also quoted as saying, God is

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the only one to have the last say, no matter what they could be doing to her, if he's not

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ready for her to come home, he won't send for her, end quote.

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But that's it.

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What?

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That's it.

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That's all that I could find on Jino.

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And I know we discussed this before when we talked about Trevelle Henley, who is missing

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in Columbus, Ohio.

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You know, Jino is a young black gay woman, you know?

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And there was no real big media coverage when she was abducted.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, I'm like embarrassed that I don't know about this.

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Yeah.

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Almost like I have that feeling like, I don't know.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, it's Chicago, you know, this is my city.

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Yeah.

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You know, like how do I not?

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It's our city.

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And you know, we're part of the queer community.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And it's, you know, how could this happen to somebody in our community, you know, and

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us not know about it?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's like the whole, like, if she had been a young white woman who was being

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grabbed off of the sidewalk in the middle of the day, it just like, I don't think would

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have happened the same way.

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No.

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Well, I mean, we almost have like a direct comparison.

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There were those recent attempted kidnappings in the West Loop, West town area of Chicago.

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Yeah.

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You know, but they were attempts.

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They were attempts because the women I believe were white that were being attempted to be

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abducted, but people intervened every time.

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Yeah.

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It's like, see, that's what I'm saying.

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I guess.

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Sad that like somebody was asking for help and nobody came, screaming for help and nobody

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came even though there were people there.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that happened to me on the train when they grabbed my shit.

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I was on a train filled with people and nobody came over.

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Like, yeah, folks, a lot of the time folks don't intervene when they should.

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Yeah.

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It's that theory of like every day you are going to like pay a price for like being quiet

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or for being brave, you know?

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Like there's always like a cost and it's like, what am I going to pay for today?

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And most people like, I will pay to be quiet, to just like not engage.

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Yeah.

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To not be involved.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I didn't mean to pull the focus over to me.

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It just like, I know it's the exact same, but that experience of like yelling for help

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and seeing other people and like thinking like, why is the help not happening?

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And like having that thought while you are in the moment of the danger.

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That's where like the worst nightmare is coming through is like, not only is this happening,

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it's almost like in a dream, you know, when you're like trying to stop what's happening

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and it won't, but like you know that you can.

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That's like what was going through my mind also in this situation while I was being attacked,

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which is like a whole other level of trauma, you know?

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So what are our sources?

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Is there anything that, anyway, we can be helpful or similar listeners or sources and

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stuff?

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Yeah.

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So we have some sources for today's story, The Charlie Project, ABC 7 News, Disappeared

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Blog, R Black Girls, CBS Chicago, NBC 5 Chicago, Gino's Own Facebook and Gino's Family's Facebook

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and then WGN 9 Chicago.

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So if our listeners know anything about the disappearance, the abduction of Joanna Jino

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Wright, they are encouraged to call the Chicago Police Department at 312-747-8380.

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Thank you all so much for listening.

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Yeah, we cannot say enough how much joy it is bringing us to like watch the following

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numbers grow and not just because that's awesome, but like because that means more eyes on these

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cases that really deserve the attention.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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More eyes and ears.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Being able to bring light to cases that aren't as well known and especially that are unsolved.

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Like, I know this has been talked about a lot recently, especially with the Dahlmer

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documentaries dropping on Netflix or the Ryan Murphy documentary type thing.

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It's not like a true documentary, but biopic, whatever.

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You know, about the ethics of true crime as a genre and what that means, like the content

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that you're consuming, right?

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Like it's somebody's worst day.

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It's a family's worst day.

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And you know, that sucks.

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It sucks that sometimes families are forced to relive that trauma over and over without

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consenting to it.

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Yeah.

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And I think, you know, from our perspective, since we haven't experienced something, you

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know, exactly like that, like that sucks is like putting it as lightly as possible.

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah, I just like, we talked about it.

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Like I couldn't imagine like, you know, putting on something like Dahlmer and being like,

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that's my sibling being murdered right now.

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Yeah.

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That's like that.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, here at Cold and Missing, we just do cold cases that still need answers

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and unresolved missing person cases.

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And part of when I'm researching these cases, I always look to see like, is the family still

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really active in this search and like, are they still wanting answers?

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Because if there are recent reports of them asking for media attention, then for sure,

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like yeah, for sure cover it.

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And we feel good about that.

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Ali does, well, first of all, she does very extensive research across the board, but she

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makes it a point to make sure that, you know, privacy is respected.

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Sometimes families, they don't want it brought up again, even if it's cold or missing.

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So Ellie makes sure that these are cases that people still want public attention on.

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Yeah.

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So, I don't know if you've been thinking about like your true crime ethics recently, if all

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the discourse has got you thinking about it.

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I just want to be forthcoming with where I'm sitting and like where I'm pulling my cases

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from and my motivation behind it.

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I'm never wanting to shock and awe you.

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I'm just genuinely trying to get all the information out to give as complete of a timeline as possible

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to try to get memories jogging and tips flowing.

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Yeah.

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I understand crimes in a timeline fashion, so that's how they're always presented.

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I hope you like it too.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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You're doing great.

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Yeah.

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And with that, thank you so much.

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We will post pictures of Gino and the road where the abduction took place on our Instagram,

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which is at Cold and Missing.

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I also started a TikTok.

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It was very complicated for me.

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I was very embarrassed to do it.

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I was glad I had the house to myself.

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Oh my gosh.

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It was like being in a nursing home.

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I was like, well, how do you get the thing to come up?

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I was Ali's orderly for the TikTok.

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Truly.

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Teaching.

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So, you can find us on there too.

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I'm sure we'll only get better and better as I learn what all the buttons are.

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It doesn't... When you're as hilarious as you are, you really don't have to do much,

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honestly.

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Oh, but that's for your personal... The Cold and Missing TikTok is not hilarious, but Ali's

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personal TikTok is.

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Please differentiate the two because we just talked about how we are respectful.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, it's hilarious.

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On our Instagram page, you can buy us a coffee.

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Thank you so much.

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Someone bought us five coffees last week.

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Yes.

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Wow.

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They did it anonymously.

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Aw, cute.

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Yeah.

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Thank you so much.

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We really appreciate it.

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Wow.

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That makes you think.

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I know.

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It was so cool.

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It was so cool.

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Yeah.

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That's awesome.

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So, thank you.

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Yeah.

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Our faces, after we see that more people are listening and are getting involved, our faces

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at the end of those conversations hurt because we're, Ali and I are just smiling at each

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other.

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Yeah.

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It just feels like we're on the precipice of something really great.

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I'm so proud of the little community we're building.

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That's really great.

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Thanks, honey.

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It's really great.

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Yeah.

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I'm just so proud of the community that's being built and the True Crime community,

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the True Crime podcast community has been so great and so welcoming.

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Yeah.

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What up, weirdos?

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Sleuths.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but that's all we got.

505
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Have a great week, y'all.

506
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,120
Thank you so much.

507
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,120
Thanks for listening.

508
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:59,480
Bye.