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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases.
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And missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm Ali.
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And I'm Eli.
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Welcome back everyone.
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Yes, we have Eli back this week.
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Yeah, I'm happy to be here.
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I know my absence was mostly just for the change-up and episodes that we had, but I'm very happy
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that we were able to do that last week.
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Of course, last week we had a special guest, Ruby Hall, which is Alisa Roberson's sister.
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And that's the case that we covered last week.
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So if you haven't listened to last week's episode or you're new here, really encourage
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you to go back to last week and give it a listen if you haven't yet.
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We do have an update about one of our previous cases.
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It's a case from quite a while back, episode 14, Kevin Graves.
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If you haven't listened to that episode, we encourage you to go back.
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It was actually when we were just starting out the podcast.
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So we encourage you to go back and take a listen.
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Yeah, I know we just brought an update episode to you at the end of last year, but we always
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like to keep you up to date as things happen.
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And for Kevin Graves, they have recovered remains that have been positively ID'd as
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Kevin.
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So his family has been able to locate him and they are continuing to ask questions around
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the circumstances of his death and why it took so long to find him.
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He was found near the Electric Force Music Festival where he was last seen.
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So we're going to be continuing to watch this case and see what develops here, but he has
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been found, which is always important and a wonderful step in the missing person case.
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process.
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But for this week, we're back to our regular format.
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So we are bringing you a cold case this week.
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That's right.
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We have a cold case this week and we are on episode 115.
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So let's go ahead and get into it.
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Today we are talking about the cold case of Joyner Ondimu.
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And this takes place in February 2005 in Newark, Delaware.
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But first a little bit about Joyner.
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Joyner was 23 years old in 2005.
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She had been born and raised in Kissi, Kenya, but she had moved to America in 2001, just
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four years prior to this.
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She followed her sister and brother-in-law who were already in America and making a life
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for themselves.
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In Delaware, Joyner was well connected to the Kenyan expat community.
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She was known for her huge heart and compassion for others.
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She had aspirations of becoming a nurse and had enrolled in the nursing program at Delaware
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Technical and Community College.
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While going to school, she also worked part time at Chimes Delaware, Incorporated, a non-for-profit
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that worked with the disabled.
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She was also an amazing cook.
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She could cook any kind of cuisine and everyone would be asking for seconds.
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She lived in the English Village Apartments with three other roommates.
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Now there were never any published reports giving any details about the roommates, but
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I did find an interview a friend of hers gave that said that the roommates were three men
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who were all cousins and also from Kenya.
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And now a timeline of events.
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On Tuesday, February 8, 2005.
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A common thread in this case is that there is a lot of unknown information.
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And that's also true about Joyner's last day.
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It's unclear what the police do and do not know.
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And it's unclear how Joyner's day went that February day.
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What we do know is that at around 2.30 in the afternoon, the police are called to the
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English Village Apartments on 12 Grand Hall.
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When police arrive, Joyner is dead in her bedroom.
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There were obvious signs of trauma to her head.
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One of her roommates had found her and called the police.
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Police begin to process the scene and question Joyner's roommates.
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All three appear to have been at the apartment when the murder took place, but they hadn't
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heard anything.
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In Joyner's room, police are processing the scene.
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One thing that is mentioned is that while Joyner's purse was missing from her room,
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police do not think that robbery was a motive in this crime.
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The next day, Wednesday, February 9, words spread quickly through the tightly knit community
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about Joyner's murder.
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Friends and family gather at Joyner's sister and brother-in-law's apartment to celebrate
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her life.
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In between toasts to Joyner, a choir sings spirituals to honor her.
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Quickly, members of the community decide to gather funds to help send her body back to
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Kenya.
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Joyner's murder has the community on edge.
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One of her friends, Chris Wemulawa, says, quote, when something like that happens to
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a community, questions about security come into play.
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We're asking Kenyans to be strong and let the law take its course, end quote.
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The next day, Thursday, February 10, two days after the murder, Joyner's autopsy is concluded.
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Police confirmed that she did die of head trauma, but there are no additional details
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released about her death.
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Police are keeping the details very close to the vest in this case.
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On Saturday, February 19, 11 days after her murder, Joyner's funeral is held.
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More than 500 people attend to pay their respects.
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After the services, her body is prepared and sent back to Kenya.
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Police do say that despite the international attention the case was starting to get, the
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news of Joyner's murder had made it back to Kenya and was being covered in the media
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there.
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The police have not received a lot of tips in her case.
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Police do say that they have interviewed a person of interest at this point, but declined
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to name them since they're not officially a suspect in the case.
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On Wednesday, February 23, just two weeks after her murder, Joyner's body arrives back
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in Kenya.
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In July of 2005, so it's been five months since her murder, police say that they are
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pursuing a suspect who is from Kenya and was a known person to Joyner.
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The person has since moved back to Kenya and police are working with Kenyan officials to
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locate the person.
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Again, police declined to name the person in July of 2005.
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However, that was the last official update that I could find on Joyner's case.
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So if you know anything about the murder of Joyner Ondimu in February of 2005, please
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contact the New Castle County Police Cold Case Squad directly.
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Detective Josh Smith can be reached at 302-395-8126 or Detective Theresa Williams can be reached
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at 302-395-8216.
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So that is the cold case of Joyner Ondimu.
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You know, when I listen to you kind of describe the narrative of who the person is, you know,
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when we do our episodes, my mind almost always forgets that it's that I'm listening listening
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to a cold case or a missing person case because I so easily can imagine who these people are.
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Even before I've seen their faces, you know, I make the graphics but it's usually after
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you have told the story of who these people are and listening to who Joyner was, my heart
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just has such an echo of sadness in it that this person isn't here and left so violently,
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was taken so violently.
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Her ending is an exact opposite of what her life was and that's so heartbreaking to me.
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You know, for all of our cases, especially the ones that I don't know, which are often
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a lot, like I just wish that they are in my stratosphere more and I'm so glad that Joyner
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is here now, is here with our listeners and hopefully people who engage with true crime
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do what they do and we can hopefully drum up more information about her.
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It's just such a lovely, lovely human being, what she sounded like.
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Yeah, this was a case where learning about Joyner and who she was, that was like the
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wealth of information that I could find was just testimony to what an incredible person
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she was to her community, but also just like in general to like everyone around her.
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She was so welcoming, so warm, so thoughtful, so compassionate.
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Like you hit the nail on the head, like what a tremendous loss of a person.
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And you know, coming across her case, you know, it's very obvious from the timeline
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that there's a lot of details that are missing.
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There's a lot we don't know about this case, but it felt so important to bring her case
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to cold and missing.
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More people deserve to know who she is, but you know, her case deserves momentum and support
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behind it as well.
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I think knowing the fact that she wanted to be a nurse and from the sounds of it maybe
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felt called to be one.
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I don't know, honey, this one, that's just so unfair.
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Like I don't know.
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An angel on earth, that was the first thing I wrote down when I was learning about her.
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And while I don't know her, I feel like that is a pretty true statement of her character.
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Yeah, I think that that was the testimony of everyone that knew her.
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And you know, it's reflected in the people who over 500 people showed up to her funeral.
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So she had a huge impact to those around her.
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And I think you're right, like angel on earth is a great description.
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Now I know that when there is lack of details, that there's lots of room for speculation.
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So while I ask my questions, I'm going to work really hard to be mindful of that.
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But the first question I have is how did the roommates not hear anything?
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I just don't understand that.
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That's a great question.
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It does appear that all three of her roommates were home during the time of the murder.
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We're not exactly sure what time she is supposed to have died.
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And then when she was found, how much time elapsed that has not been made clear by the
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police.
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But one thing that her friends did say in the interview was that she had spent the night
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there with Joyner before.
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And she said that you could hear everything in that apartment.
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If you were in one room, you could hear people talking in the next room.
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So it does seem very suspicious that nothing was heard, especially if this was during the
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middle of the day when all three roommates were home.
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It brings up a lot of questions.
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I'm going to be honest.
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I don't particularly like going back over graphic details, and specifically in cold
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cases.
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I'm a person and I feel uncomfortable talking about it, but in this case, the head wounds
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that she experienced, my mind drew the conclusion that she was beaten to death on her head.
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And I wanted to know if you maybe thought similarly.
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Because I know we are still missing details on if anything else happened to her physically,
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but I know we know that the blows to the head were the cause of her death.
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But I just wanted to talk to you a little bit about the specifics of that.
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Yeah, in the reporting on this case, initially, they'll say that Joyner died from blunt force
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trauma to the head.
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But then the newspaper actually prints a correction in the following days that says she died from
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trauma to the head.
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So they walk back that blunt force trauma statement, or it's at least corrected.
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Maybe it was never said.
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But I thought that was a very specific distinction to make.
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And to get that detail out there in such a specific way, I thought that that was significant
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to what happened to Joyner.
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Yeah, there is a noticeable difference in the implications behind those two statements.
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So it's interesting.
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I'm glad that you caught the difference.
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But I think that walking back on it is, again, very, I feel like we keep saying this a lot
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about this case, but just very interesting.
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There's a lot of information in the non-existent information.
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Yeah, it does appear that overall what happened to Joyner was likely very violent.
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And to me, there's some elimination.
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So to me, it doesn't seem like she was shot.
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There's no gunfire involved.
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There's no stabbing.
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So it seems like it was a very physical and violent death.
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Yeah, and again, if you are someone who engages with learning about true crime quite a bit,
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you know that that usually means aggression and that quite possibly the person, that the
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two know each other.
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That sign of violence is usually personal, which made me wonder about her dating life
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and romantic life and if there were any prospects in her life and if there was a possibility
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that someone from that part of her life was involved there.
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I don't know.
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But again, so many questions with very little answers and I just wanted to know thoughts
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and opinions on that.
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In the reporting, there was no mention if there were signs of forced entry or not.
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And because they didn't mention that, I did tend to think that maybe this was somebody
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that was known to her.
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And again, for the reasons that you said, just the level of violence that appears to
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have been used in her murder, it does seem very aggressive, very angry and like it could
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have been the murderer could have been known to her for sure.
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But then again, one of the best sources of information we have in this was coming from
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her community.
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And no one in the community was mentioning, you know, boyfriends, romantic relationships.
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That wasn't mentioned by anybody and they had talked to several people.
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So whether it was something people just weren't mentioning or if there just wasn't anybody
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very specifically that she was dating or, you know, had been known to date.
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Yeah, I think the fact that she was, you know, very heavily involved in such a tight knit
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community, there's the possibility that someone from within that community came over to drop
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something off and, you know, she let that person in.
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It could be something as easy as that and doesn't have to be as deep as romantic involvement.
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But again, you know, there's a lot of room to speculate in the unknown.
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But I do want to touch base on the possible suspect of interest or person of interest
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who is now back in Kenya.
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I know it doesn't become an international case, but because there are two different
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countries looking for the same person of interest, that it very much complicates things.
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And it makes sense to me that cards would be held close to the chest, i.e. all of the
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information about the case because the case has now become so large because of the distance.
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Yeah, the person that they were pursuing, you know, in July of 2005, kind of that last
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update, they did say that this person was known to join her.
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So we don't know how closely, if they were just acquaintances or if they knew each other
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very well.
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But Joyner did know this person.
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And you know, they were in America and they have since gone back to Kenya.
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And yeah, the complications of a person of interest or suspect going abroad, or in this
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case, like going back to their home country really complicates things.
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Basically at this point, once they do locate them, they have to kind of get extradition
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papers, which is its own thing to get that person back in the United States.
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So it's a very complicated and potential political thing.
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But this is a case that I think, you know, there could still be answers and police could
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still solve this and bring justice for Joyner.
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Absolutely.
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I mean, it was only 20 years ago.
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I can remember things from 20 years ago.
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So I think it's absolutely solvable.
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I think a lot of our listeners here will be grateful to know Joyner's name and case.
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And hopefully just talking about her creates some echoes and more people start talking
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about her and what a lovely person she was and how much justice she deserves.
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Yeah, I really hope that, you know, by bringing Joyner's case here, other people start to
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talk about her case, bring it up.
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And you know, just other people talking and sharing the case does put pressure on the
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police to get these cases solved.
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If the community wants answers, they'll keep looking at a case.
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So I think this is a case that's easy for police to put on the back burner, especially
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if maybe their main person of interest isn't in America.
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But I think we can put, you know, pressure on the police to give answers, give an update
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to stay committed to Joyner and justice for her.
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So again, if you know anything about the murder of Joyner Ondimu in February of 2005, please
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call the New Castle County Police Cold Case Squad directly.
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You can reach Detective Josh Smith at 302-395-8126 or Detective Teresa Williams at 302-395-8216.
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We will have on our Instagram at Cold and Missing a picture of Joyner that I was able
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to find so that way you can see her and sometimes putting a face to the name and the
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case just makes it all that more personal.
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So please, if you haven't, go follow us at Cold and Missing on Instagram.
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You'll stay up to date with not only this case, but cases happening all around the country.
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So keep up with us there.
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We'll also always update about the podcast should we need to move anything around in
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the week.
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If you have some time today, if you could rate and review us, we've seen so many wonderful
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If you're an Apple podcast, leaving us a written review really helps the algorithm suggest
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us to new people, which ultimately gets this case out there to more people.
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And if you or someone you love is hard of hearing, we have transcripts on our website,
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www.coldandmissing.com.
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And it also includes our back catalog.
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So all our episodes are up on there if you want to go back and listen to any of our past
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cases.
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But that's all I have.
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Thank you so much for listening to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Allie.
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And I'm your cohost, Eli.
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Have a good week and stay safe, y'all.
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