Cold And Missing: Roger Ellison

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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover

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But with that, I think we should go ahead and

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get into this week's episode. That's right. We

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are on episode... It's 126 this week, and it

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is a missing persons case. And just as a quick

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content warning at the top, this case does involve

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a young person, and there are some brief mentions

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of death by suicide. Today, we are talking about

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the missing person case of Roger Ellison. And

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this takes place in February of 1981 in Cedar

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Edge, Colorado. But first, a little bit about

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Roger. Roger is 17 years old in 1981. He is a

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senior honor roll student at Cedar Edge High

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School, but was already looking forward to college.

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He'd been accepted to Western State College in

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Gunnison, Colorado, and he had won a skiing scholarship

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and had already put a deposit down and picked

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out his dorm room. Roger was a gifted skier.

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He had a dream of being on the U .S. national

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ski team, like his older sister had done a decade

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before him. He was the youngest of four siblings

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and the only one left at home. The rest of his

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siblings were older and married at this time.

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Right before the timeline picks up, Roger had

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competed in ski races in Telluride, Colorado.

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He had been disappointed by the outcome. He was

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hoping to secure a place on the U .S. ski B team,

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but had failed to. His parents say that he was

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disappointed but was already looking forward

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to the next race, which was coming up that weekend.

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And now, a timeline of events. Tuesday, February

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10th, 1981. Roger started the day very normally.

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He was eating breakfast in the kitchen with his

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mother when he noticed the weather outside. It

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looked like it was going to snow. He told his

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mom it was a good sign for the upcoming race

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in Aspen that weekend. Roger got ready and left

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for school. He had his yellow backpack and $3

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for lunch. He boarded the bus and headed to Cedar

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Edge High School, which was about six miles away

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from his home. Once at school, Roger caught up

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with his friend and locker mate at their shared

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locker, number 191. Roger shared the locker with

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his friend Mitch. Mitch was just about to slam

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the locker door shut when Roger called out for

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him to leave it open. Roger and Mitch chatted

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for a second. Roger was dropping off some books

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at the locker and grabbing some stuff that he

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needed for the day. Mitch headed off to class

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while Roger was finishing up at the locker. Roger

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told him he would catch up. This appears to be

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the last confirmed sighting of Roger. Roger never

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attended any classes that day. Even though Roger's

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attendance was perfect up until this point, his

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absence was not reported to his parents. Rogers'

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parents didn't know anything was wrong until

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he failed to get home from school that day. His

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mother, Evelyn, says, quote, When he didn't come

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on the bus, we thought he'd call. My husband

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and I waiting up all night. The next morning,

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we called the sheriff. He told us we had to wait

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48 hours before he could begin a search. We tried

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to explain that Rogers never done anything like

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that before, that he always called or left us

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a note on the kitchen table. This time, there

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was nothing. End quote. Like Evelyn says in her

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statement, when they tried to call police that

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next day, Wednesday, February 11th, when Roger

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failed to come home all night, the police didn't

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take it seriously. They assumed Roger was with

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friends or maybe with a girlfriend. His parents

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stressed that this was not the case. He had only

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taken his lunch money and the clothes he was

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wearing to school. His skis, his car, his motorcycle,

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and bank account were all untouched. Not wanting

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to wait for the police to start their search,

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Evelyn and her husband, Ernest, start searching.

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She says, quote, we drove down back roads, we

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combed the woods, we walked ditches. Gradually,

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it dawned on us that something terrible had happened

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to Roger and was happening to us. Suddenly, I

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was living every mother's nightmare, end quote.

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Over that weekend, Roger has been missing for

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four days. His parents hope that he'll show up

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to the race in Aspen since he had already paid

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the entry fee. But he didn't show up to the race.

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It doesn't appear that any major searches were

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done for Roger at this point in his disappearance.

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On February 25th, so Roger has been missing for

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15 days, and police believe that he's a runaway

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at this point. They believe that he had run away

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to a ski resort and found a job or was looking

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for a job. When asked about the length of time

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and the fact that he hadn't contacted his parents

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in 15 days, the police said that it wasn't unusual

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for teenagers to behave this way. His parents,

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however, are worried sick and think something

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terrible has happened to their son. On March

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11, 1981, Roger has been missing for a month

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at this point, and it's his 18th birthday. Police

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and his parents are hoping that he'll reach out

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now that he's officially an adult and let them

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know where he is. But the phone doesn't ring,

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and he never calls. In May of 1982, so it's been

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15 months since Roger vanished, and his father

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has also passed away as well. Rogers' family

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firmly believed that it was due to the heartbreak

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of his youngest son vanishing. At this point,

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Delty County Sheriff Detective Keith Weibel says,

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It looks like Roger Ellison just disappeared

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into thin air, but I know that can't happen.

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We've never had a single solid lead. We can't

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find a trace of where he went. This case has

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turned me into a blithering idiot. I've known

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the Ellison for years. They're a good family,

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and I gradually became convinced Roger wasn't

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a runaway. There was absolutely no evidence of

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a drug problem, no hint of mental illness, nothing

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to indicate Roger had been the slightest bit

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depressed." Investigators have asked the FBI

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to take a look at the case, but the FBI refuses

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since there is no evidence that Roger ever crossed

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state lines or that even a crime has been committed.

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However, a break in the case appears to come

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by the end of June of 1982, so just a few months

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later. Roger has been missing for a year and

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a half. And police say that Roger was seen alive

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as recently as April of 1982, so just a few months

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before this. Roger was seen working at a plant

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nursery in Mississippi up until April. A co -worker

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at the nursery reported it after seeing a story

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about Roger being missing. Delta County Sheriff

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says, quote, Ellison had been on the nursery

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property in April, but he left and nobody knew

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where he was going. We were close, but not close

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enough. If Roger reads anything about this, we're

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urging him to please contact his mother as soon

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as possible. End quote. Police do believe that

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this is a good lead and confirm that the person

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at the nursery was using Roger's name and social

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security number. However, years later, police

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will say that this sighting was a hoax. But this

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lead seems to stall the investigation for years,

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as it appears that Roger just didn't want to

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be found. But again, police say that this whole

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sighting was just a hoax. However, by April of

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1985, so it's been four years since Roger vanished,

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and his mother is still trying to get coverage

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for her son's case. She doesn't believe that

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he simply ran away or doesn't want to be found.

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She thinks something nefarious happened to him.

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She also confirms that even after all these years,

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his bank account, which had over $1 ,000 in it,

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was still sitting untouched. In 1989, so it's

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been over eight years since Roger vanished, and

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the new Delta County Sheriff Bill Blair says,

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quote, we have followed lead after lead after

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lead, but nothing has panned out. It's really

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tragic that we can't come up with something,

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end quote. There have been sightings of Roger

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over the years that have been reported to police.

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There were reports of Roger living in a commune

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in California. There was a sighting of him at

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a singles bar in Pittsburgh. And then a woman

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in Jacksonville, Florida, said that she had a

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child with a drifter that fit Roger's description.

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But none of these leads panned out. Investigators

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say that in each and every one of these instances,

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it was just someone who looked a lot like Roger.

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In March of 1994, so it's been 13 years since

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Roger disappeared, and police are taking another

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look at the case. They decide to re -interview

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classmates that were at school with Roger at

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the time. During this process, a tip surfaces.

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The tip is around a teacher that was at Cedar

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Edge High School when Roger vanished. Pash had

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taught psychology and coached wrestling at the

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high school. Pash was also known to Roger's family.

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He had stopped by the Ellison's house after Roger

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vanished to tell his parents that he had been

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counseling Roger at his home before he disappeared.

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He shared with his family that Roger was suicidal,

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but this didn't sound right to Roger's parents.

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They didn't know the counseling sessions were

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happening and were even more surprised as Roger

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had expressed that he didn't like Pash as a teacher.

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While it's unclear exactly what the tip was,

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it prompts a search of Pasha's former home. At

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this point, the home had been turned into a mortuary.

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Police bring in ground -penetrating radar to

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search the grounds. There are six spots that

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show an anomaly underground, four in the yard

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and two under the concrete garage. Police dig

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in the four spots in the yard and nothing is

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found. However, it doesn't appear that they ever

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dug under the garage, so those spots remain unchecked.

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In February of 1998, so it's been 17 years since

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Roger vanished, and Sheriff Blair asks for the

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public's help. He says, quote, someone out there

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knows what happened to him. We don't have a body,

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and even if we found one, we would have to have

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someone involved say, this is what happened.

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Either he went to some house close by or someone

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was there to meet him and pick him up in a car.

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I just don't know what happened to him, end quote.

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During this plea for information, an English

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teacher that Roger had mentioned this about his

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time at school. She said, quote, he used to tell

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me stories that the kids would chase him and

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he would have to hide on rooftops. I don't think

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he fit in all that well, end quote. Later in

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1998, In September, a dying man comes forward,

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saying that he wanted to clear his conscience

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and that he knew what happened to Roger. Police

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report that the man and his friend, quote, Supposedly,

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it was over a bad cocaine deal. Ellison had absconded

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with the money and given it to his friends, end

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quote. The two men walked away and a few minutes

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later heard two gunshots. The two men agreed

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to never talk about it and forget about it until

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one of them wanted to clear their conscience.

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The Hunter friend confirmed the story. They both

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were polygraphed and passed. They also both picked

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a picture of Roger out of a lineup saying that

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he was the young man being restrained. This confession

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prompts a huge police search in the area that

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the hunters pointed out. The Delta County Sheriff,

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CBI, and the FBI all help search the area. They

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even bring in students from an anthropology department

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in case remains are found to help in the process

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of documenting and recovering. No remains were

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found, and this was really the last update we

00:15:30.179 --> 00:15:33.080
get on Roger's case and the last big movement

00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.779
on it that I could find. Over the years, Roger's

00:15:36.779 --> 00:15:39.320
case is brought up in papers as part of cold

00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:43.779
cases, but there's no new leads, no new evidence,

00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.720
no new information on his case. So with that,

00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:50.139
if you know anything about the disappearance

00:15:50.139 --> 00:15:55.039
of Roger Ellison in February of 1981, or his

00:15:55.039 --> 00:15:58.039
whereabouts today, please call the Delta County

00:15:58.039 --> 00:16:07.019
Sheriff's Office at 970 -874 -2000. So that is

00:16:07.019 --> 00:16:10.440
the missing person case of Roger Ellison. This

00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:13.360
is one of those cases where, as I was listening

00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:17.559
to the timeline, I kept getting up because I

00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.480
wanted to walk back here to ask you questions

00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:23.759
as you were talking about the timeline. And I

00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:26.740
think I may have mentioned this last episode

00:16:26.740 --> 00:16:32.399
when we were covering a case. Sometimes I can't

00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:37.580
write down the questions fast enough, and that's

00:16:37.580 --> 00:16:41.460
definitely the case here for Roger. Just first

00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:48.440
off, I guess there's no real good way to kick

00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:53.399
off rediscussing the timeline, but... I can't

00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:59.860
not mention how law enforcement bungled this,

00:17:00.139 --> 00:17:06.240
in my opinion. I don't—I never understand the

00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:10.839
reaction of, wait, of wait, wait, wait, because

00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:15.160
that always seems to be where the case goes wrong

00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:18.799
and goes south for a lot of these victims, and

00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.740
it's— It's excruciating to listen to because

00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:26.960
some of the things that they are quoted saying,

00:17:27.339 --> 00:17:32.420
like it was painful to listen to someone in law

00:17:32.420 --> 00:17:37.380
enforcement say, it gradually came to me that

00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:41.880
this is what's happening is what the parents

00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:46.299
told us to begin with. And it's not. necessarily

00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:49.740
an admission, but almost like a revelation. And

00:17:49.740 --> 00:17:52.660
there's no time for you to have a revelation

00:17:52.660 --> 00:17:56.299
about what you believe is happening to someone.

00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:02.779
I know I sound passionate, but I'm angry on behalf

00:18:02.779 --> 00:18:05.599
of this family. And now a lot of time has passed

00:18:05.599 --> 00:18:10.980
and some people are gone. And as a listener,

00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:14.170
it's just really difficult to digest that. To

00:18:14.170 --> 00:18:17.490
digest that information, it's so unfair. Yeah,

00:18:17.509 --> 00:18:20.309
it's very difficult to imagine in this day and

00:18:20.309 --> 00:18:25.009
age telling parents of a senior who showed up

00:18:25.009 --> 00:18:27.990
to school but never attended any classes that

00:18:27.990 --> 00:18:30.329
they need to wait 48 hours before they can start

00:18:30.329 --> 00:18:33.890
searching for him. Like, I just imagine that

00:18:33.890 --> 00:18:36.990
story breaking today and it's like that whole

00:18:36.990 --> 00:18:39.869
town would be turned upside down searching for

00:18:39.869 --> 00:18:46.190
him. We say that sitting in 2025 and law enforcement

00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:48.549
has learned a lot over the years. But I agree

00:18:48.549 --> 00:18:51.369
with you. It's so maddening and frustrating that

00:18:51.369 --> 00:18:54.509
these protocols, these things were put in place,

00:18:54.630 --> 00:18:58.430
especially for children. Just there's I feel

00:18:58.430 --> 00:19:00.609
like there's no excuse to not know where a child

00:19:00.609 --> 00:19:03.049
is. So if we don't know where a child is, everybody

00:19:03.049 --> 00:19:06.509
should be looking for them. Yeah. Again, to me

00:19:06.509 --> 00:19:10.250
and obviously to you, it's an all hands on deck.

00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:13.279
situation and the fact that those two parents

00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:18.099
began the search on their own like I can barely

00:19:18.099 --> 00:19:21.740
take saying that out loud that is horrifying

00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:28.180
to feel I mean I don't know the feeling but to

00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:31.019
know that they were just completely alone at

00:19:31.019 --> 00:19:34.779
the beginning and you know his father passing

00:19:34.779 --> 00:19:40.509
not that long after like This family was dealt

00:19:40.509 --> 00:19:43.829
a lot and given next to nothing to deal with

00:19:43.829 --> 00:19:48.250
it. Yeah. You know, the resources in this case

00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:50.990
just felt like it all came way too late. Just,

00:19:50.990 --> 00:19:56.210
you know, they missed, you know, that period

00:19:56.210 --> 00:19:58.630
of time where the most critical information was

00:19:58.630 --> 00:20:01.609
going to be. It was all missed. And that's really

00:20:01.609 --> 00:20:05.890
unfortunate for Roger and for his family to try

00:20:05.890 --> 00:20:11.500
to have to deal with that. Now, because the storyline

00:20:11.500 --> 00:20:15.940
that you so beautifully put together for us involves

00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:20.539
a lot of speculative nature on both law enforcement

00:20:20.539 --> 00:20:25.619
and witnesses and even family of what they think

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happened, I am kind of operating from asking

00:20:30.539 --> 00:20:34.259
my questions because of those speculations. I

00:20:34.259 --> 00:20:37.779
think my mind just naturally... followed the

00:20:37.779 --> 00:20:42.099
speculative pathway but from multiple angles

00:20:42.099 --> 00:20:45.640
so I'm going to try to balance them out as I

00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.619
ask these questions. My first one being and I

00:20:49.619 --> 00:20:52.519
have my own answer for this but what would be

00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:55.019
his motive for running away? I was curious to

00:20:55.019 --> 00:20:57.220
know what you thought especially because that

00:20:57.220 --> 00:20:59.000
was something that was tossed around so much

00:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.099
between law enforcement that that was the speculation

00:21:02.099 --> 00:21:05.200
that he left because he was running away. Yeah,

00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:08.019
this is one where it's like, I don't really see

00:21:08.019 --> 00:21:10.599
him running away at all. You know, like, I get

00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.960
that he, you know, was kind of bummed at his

00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:17.299
performance on the race the weekend before. But,

00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:19.460
you know, he was getting ready to go to college,

00:21:19.619 --> 00:21:21.819
had put down that down payment on the dorm room,

00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.240
was looking forward to the race this weekend.

00:21:25.900 --> 00:21:29.019
And then, you know, he left everything that he

00:21:29.019 --> 00:21:31.519
would kind of need if he was running away. He

00:21:31.519 --> 00:21:34.710
left his car. He left his motorcycle, he left

00:21:34.710 --> 00:21:37.970
his skis, which were pretty important to him,

00:21:38.049 --> 00:21:42.509
and left all his money. So I don't see him running

00:21:42.509 --> 00:21:46.150
away from those actions alone and what was going

00:21:46.150 --> 00:21:49.069
on around his life. It doesn't seem like a runaway.

00:21:49.829 --> 00:21:55.170
This is where I feel, I think, wishy -washy.

00:21:55.170 --> 00:21:58.109
I guess that's the best way to say it, about

00:21:58.109 --> 00:22:01.150
being speculative, because... I definitely don't

00:22:01.150 --> 00:22:05.789
want to add insult to injury, but when I asked

00:22:05.789 --> 00:22:07.950
myself this question, what would be his motive

00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:14.829
for running away, my general answer was kids

00:22:14.829 --> 00:22:18.250
can hide a lot. They can hide a lot from their

00:22:18.250 --> 00:22:20.430
parents. They can hide a lot from their teachers.

00:22:20.529 --> 00:22:25.329
They can hide a lot from their friends. I think

00:22:25.329 --> 00:22:28.549
it's possible that he has a motive that we don't

00:22:28.549 --> 00:22:33.019
even know about. And I think because there are

00:22:33.019 --> 00:22:35.779
so few details in this case, it's absolutely

00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:39.700
possible that there is a motive. No, I think

00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:41.440
that's a really important point is that like

00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.740
truly we don't know anything. You know, at this

00:22:45.740 --> 00:22:49.160
point, police have like kind of labeled this

00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:55.240
as foul play is suspected. I think that while

00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.359
not impossible, I think it would have been. harder

00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:03.119
for a 17 year old to vanish without a trace without

00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:07.579
taking some money taking some clothes like taking

00:23:07.579 --> 00:23:11.920
some things to just vanish kind of in a very

00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.779
short amount of time right before classes start

00:23:14.779 --> 00:23:22.460
not impossible of course but does feel slim in

00:23:22.460 --> 00:23:24.839
this case but I do agree with your point about

00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.900
hiding things because it took years and years

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:32.240
for that english teacher to kind of come out

00:23:32.240 --> 00:23:35.720
and say like he was bullied at school that was

00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:40.240
never mentioned before and i thought that that

00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.099
could have been you know again this is all speculative

00:23:43.099 --> 00:23:46.160
but it's like well that's was that ever looked

00:23:46.160 --> 00:23:49.119
at like could it have been bullies in the school

00:23:49.119 --> 00:23:51.859
and like something got out of hand like could

00:23:51.859 --> 00:23:55.829
that have happened I think what my mind is trying

00:23:55.829 --> 00:24:00.589
to do is draw correlations together and knowing,

00:24:00.730 --> 00:24:03.430
as we moved around in the timeline and found

00:24:03.430 --> 00:24:08.589
out much later, that possibly he was facing mental

00:24:08.589 --> 00:24:13.170
health issues and that maybe he was being bullied

00:24:13.170 --> 00:24:17.410
in school. If he was trying to disappear himself,

00:24:17.809 --> 00:24:25.690
those seem like more... probable motives as to

00:24:25.690 --> 00:24:31.109
why for me I will say this though the the tip

00:24:31.109 --> 00:24:33.849
about the teacher and like the counseling and

00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.269
stuff like that I had the impression like based

00:24:37.269 --> 00:24:40.430
off of the reporting at the time that this was

00:24:40.430 --> 00:24:42.930
like kind of nefarious and suspicious that it

00:24:42.930 --> 00:24:47.069
was like strange that this teacher was doing

00:24:47.069 --> 00:24:49.109
this counseling like the parents didn't have

00:24:49.109 --> 00:24:53.859
any prior knowledge that their son was being

00:24:53.859 --> 00:25:01.259
like counseled by a psychology teacher that Roger

00:25:01.259 --> 00:25:03.319
was even going to his house for this because

00:25:03.319 --> 00:25:05.039
Roger had said that he didn't really like this

00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.339
teacher so all of that was strange to the family

00:25:07.339 --> 00:25:11.799
so I had the feeling that this teacher that all

00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:16.440
that information was like very suspicious I also

00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.799
had written down it was the next thing that I

00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.839
was going to get to was that This child was essentially

00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:28.599
having an unknown relationship to his parents

00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:33.859
with another adult. I think that that will always

00:25:33.859 --> 00:25:39.259
rise a red flag in my mind. And knowing that

00:25:39.259 --> 00:25:46.180
there was ground -penetrating radar in both the

00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:50.839
yard, which was dug up, and the... garage which

00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:54.599
was not I am very interested to know what is

00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.500
under that cement but I also know you know working

00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.259
in maintenance and just like general construction

00:26:00.259 --> 00:26:04.279
I know how expensive it is to pulverize cement

00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:06.500
and dig beneath it because there's a lot of stuff

00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:09.059
that you have to dig through and rip through

00:26:09.059 --> 00:26:13.720
and I guess what I'm saying is I'm also I also

00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:17.279
have eyes on this teacher as well along with

00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:21.200
every other correlation my brain has tried to

00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:25.319
string up in this case. Yeah, I would also be

00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.740
interested to know, you know, in a perfect world

00:26:28.740 --> 00:26:32.640
where we could just throw money at this and make

00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.740
it happen. I would love to know just if there's

00:26:35.740 --> 00:26:40.240
anything of value underneath the garage, especially

00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.779
in Roger's case. I would also be interested to

00:26:43.779 --> 00:26:48.099
know just if police ever had the chance to talk

00:26:48.099 --> 00:26:50.920
to that teacher and interview him and interrogate

00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:53.579
him. Because from my understanding, it didn't

00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:57.500
seem like they had been able to. That teacher

00:26:57.500 --> 00:27:00.640
had moved out of state at that point when this

00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:02.420
tip kind of surfaced and they started digging

00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:06.480
in what was his old yard. So it doesn't seem

00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:08.599
like they ever talked to him. So I would be interested

00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:12.390
just to know if. that happened and how police

00:27:12.390 --> 00:27:16.910
felt after that interview. Yeah, especially because

00:27:16.910 --> 00:27:19.950
there's such little information about it, but

00:27:19.950 --> 00:27:24.509
it seems like a poignant and important relationship

00:27:24.509 --> 00:27:28.990
to take note of and investigate in. Again, to

00:27:28.990 --> 00:27:33.049
echo you, I'd love to know more information about

00:27:33.049 --> 00:27:37.250
if there was any investigation done on this person.

00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:41.380
Well, and also to validate his story, like, it's

00:27:41.380 --> 00:27:45.660
strange that after Roger disappeared, he, I don't

00:27:45.660 --> 00:27:47.500
want to say inserted himself into the investigation,

00:27:47.740 --> 00:27:50.160
but, like, came to the parents and said, like,

00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:53.420
you know, Roger was depressed. He was suicidal.

00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:58.559
I was counseling him. Like, you know, just to

00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:00.920
validate all that, like, was that true? Was this

00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.829
just, like, a... that this teacher maybe tried

00:28:04.829 --> 00:28:06.750
to tell the parents to make them feel bad. You

00:28:06.750 --> 00:28:10.089
know, like, there's a lot of different ways to

00:28:10.089 --> 00:28:13.589
think about it. So I would just want to know,

00:28:13.630 --> 00:28:16.670
like, what parts of that story was true? Was

00:28:16.670 --> 00:28:19.109
any of it true? Like, what was the reason for

00:28:19.109 --> 00:28:23.509
all this? Yeah, and you say this to me all the

00:28:23.509 --> 00:28:26.490
time when you and I are just discussing true

00:28:26.490 --> 00:28:30.819
crime and true crime cases. When people start

00:28:30.819 --> 00:28:35.039
to behave oddly around an event like this, around

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.400
a person going missing, take note of that behavior.

00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.880
And to me, a teacher stopping by out of the blue,

00:28:43.059 --> 00:28:46.779
that's something to take note of. I had another

00:28:46.779 --> 00:28:49.680
question to ask you, and this is more just about

00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:52.619
Roger. I wanted to know what you thought of the

00:28:52.619 --> 00:28:56.109
untouched bank account. That's one thing that

00:28:56.109 --> 00:28:58.230
I come back to again and again that makes me

00:28:58.230 --> 00:29:03.910
think that maybe Roger didn't leave voluntarily.

00:29:04.529 --> 00:29:07.049
From my understanding, this was money that he

00:29:07.049 --> 00:29:10.710
had been saving up for and that he had won through

00:29:10.710 --> 00:29:14.430
ski racing. As I was researching Roger for years,

00:29:14.569 --> 00:29:18.170
I just saw him being awarded these skiing competition

00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:22.250
titles. I don't know a lot about skiing, to be

00:29:22.250 --> 00:29:25.960
honest. He was winning a lot and being mentioned

00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.119
in the paper a lot for it. So if somebody, you

00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.880
know, just a month before their 18th birthday

00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:37.319
is going to take off, I think they would just

00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:39.460
take a little bit of money with them, especially,

00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.220
you know, 1981. Like there's no debit cards.

00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:48.299
Like people would write checks. But he wasn't

00:29:48.299 --> 00:29:50.039
even doing that. You know, none of that money

00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.359
was being accessed. I think he would have taken

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:57.039
more than just the $3 for lunch and then the

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:58.960
clothes on his back. There would have been some

00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.640
more outfits missed, just something else. It

00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:05.920
would be really hard for him to just leave. The

00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:08.079
reason I brought up the bank account is because

00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:13.039
that is the one, honestly, fact about this case

00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:19.380
that ties me to the reality that he didn't leave

00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:22.829
willingly. As many correlations I can draw and

00:30:22.829 --> 00:30:26.430
speculation I can come up with, that untouched

00:30:26.430 --> 00:30:31.190
bank account stands out to me. And I thought

00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:34.890
that it would for you too as well. And it seems

00:30:34.890 --> 00:30:38.089
like we have the same thought about this is that

00:30:38.089 --> 00:30:42.829
he would have taken just a sliver of something

00:30:42.829 --> 00:30:47.430
else. And, you know, another like fact in this

00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:50.750
case that I keep coming back to is just. If it

00:30:50.750 --> 00:30:53.190
wasn't Roger, then who was the boy in the woods

00:30:53.190 --> 00:30:56.829
that these hunters stumbled upon being restrained?

00:30:56.910 --> 00:30:59.750
Like, what was that situation? Because if it's

00:30:59.750 --> 00:31:03.690
not Roger, then it's somebody else. So who is

00:31:03.690 --> 00:31:09.450
it? And, you know, just because nothing was found

00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:13.970
in that area, like, you know, we've seen bodies

00:31:13.970 --> 00:31:16.769
be moved before from one spot to another. Like,

00:31:16.809 --> 00:31:22.140
that can happen. What is that story? What do

00:31:22.140 --> 00:31:27.240
we know? What do we not know? These two people

00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.039
kind of told the same story, saw the same thing,

00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.259
backed each other up, passed the polygraph. So

00:31:33.259 --> 00:31:35.700
something happened. And if it wasn't related

00:31:35.700 --> 00:31:38.099
to Roger, it was related to somebody else. So

00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:42.839
I think we need some answers there. Yeah, that

00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.700
revelation in this timeline kind of came out

00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:48.500
of left field for me. I wasn't expecting it.

00:31:48.910 --> 00:31:53.670
At all. But I also, I left a little bit of room

00:31:53.670 --> 00:31:57.970
in me to know that like both of those men could

00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:01.470
have 100 % believed that it was Roger that they

00:32:01.470 --> 00:32:04.829
saw. So therefore, they would pass that polygraph

00:32:04.829 --> 00:32:09.569
test. Yeah, I just, if it wasn't Roger, then

00:32:09.569 --> 00:32:12.690
who was it? In this scenario, I don't want to

00:32:12.690 --> 00:32:15.589
believe that it was him because I know what the

00:32:15.589 --> 00:32:18.940
end result is. I don't know what to make of that

00:32:18.940 --> 00:32:20.920
deathbed confession. I think it's fascinating.

00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:25.259
I think it's completely possible that because

00:32:25.259 --> 00:32:29.299
of what we said earlier about how kids can hide

00:32:29.299 --> 00:32:32.279
things and teenagers do all the time, that it's

00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:34.319
possible that this was absolutely happening in

00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.680
the woods and these men stumbled upon that and

00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.279
then his body was moved and never recovered.

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Yeah, I don't know. This case is tough. I get

00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:49.950
why somebody would want to maybe get that off

00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:54.549
their chest towards the end of their life. I

00:32:54.549 --> 00:32:58.369
know we could speculate and try to draw conclusions

00:32:58.369 --> 00:33:03.329
for hours. We do this when we're not on the mic.

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So I don't think there's any great way to wrap

00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:10.789
up discussing this case. I'm just very grateful

00:33:10.789 --> 00:33:15.730
that you brought it to... My attention, our attention,

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and I'm hoping that, you know, people who engage

00:33:20.250 --> 00:33:23.549
with true crime do their thing and investigate

00:33:23.549 --> 00:33:27.910
more and we get to hear more about just who Roger

00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:33.609
was and maybe a few more of those details will

00:33:33.609 --> 00:33:36.609
trickle in and fill in the gaps here. Somebody

00:33:36.609 --> 00:33:40.259
absolutely knows what happened to Roger. That

00:33:40.259 --> 00:33:43.299
much I do know. I think there's more information.

00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.599
I think maybe somebody he went to school with.

00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:49.579
Somebody knows something that they haven't come

00:33:49.579 --> 00:33:53.539
forward with yet. Roger's siblings, you know,

00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.299
still want answers for him. And, you know, I

00:33:56.299 --> 00:33:58.839
hope someday that we're able to get those answers

00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.599
and we're able to bring Roger home. However that

00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:05.759
is, we're able to get him home. So again, if

00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.779
you know anything about the disappearance of

00:34:07.779 --> 00:34:12.059
Roger Ellison in February of 1981 or his whereabouts

00:34:12.059 --> 00:34:15.000
today, please call the Delta County Sheriff's

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:24.099
Office at 970 -874 -2000. As always, Eli will

00:34:24.099 --> 00:34:27.719
have graphics on our Instagram for you. It will

00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.280
show pictures of Roger and also some age progress

00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.900
photos. So what he would have looked like towards

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his later 20s and then into his 40s as well.

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So please take a look and share in your communities,

00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:41.059
share in your stories. Just get Roger's face,

00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.659
get his case out there so other people know about

00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:46.659
him and are talking about him. And like I mentioned

00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:48.639
at the top, thank you so much to everyone who

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episodes. That is all I have for you this week.

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Thank you so much for listening to Cold and Missing.

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I'm your host, Ali . And I'm your co -host,

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Eli. Have a good week and stay safe, y 'all.

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Stay safe, y 'all.