Cold and Missing: Ronald Tammen

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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.

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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature

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It's going.

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It's going.

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Oh, I'm sleepy.

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Okay.

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Wake up.

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That was for all of our 90s kids out there, if you watched Full House, which I know me

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and my co-host Alexandra McLaughlin Sulkowski did.

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And I did.

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I'm back.

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I made a film.

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He made a film and he's back, everybody.

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We've really missed each other.

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While Ali was recording, her phone was off because she's a professional and I was texting

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her, I just miss you.

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It doesn't feel the same here without you.

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It was a deep puppy love yearning and missing.

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Completely.

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We work together on a lot of things, so it felt weird to not be doing something together.

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Yeah.

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And if you listened last week, you heard me talk about how weird it felt to do this without

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Eli.

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I'm so excited to be doing the same project again.

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Love it.

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Yeah.

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And I'll be more present in making the podcast with you, which is really exciting to me.

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Yeah.

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Because 95% of your brain will not be occupied with the film that you were making.

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It will still stay the same.

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I will still never know what Ali is going to tell me.

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So that part will still always be a surprise.

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Speaking of surprise.

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Let's get to it.

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What do you got for us?

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I have, in honor of upcoming Halloween, I have a missing person case from 1953 and his

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name is Ronald Tammann.

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Ronald.

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Ronald.

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Shout out to Ronalds everywhere.

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But Ronald is also sometimes known as the Phantom of Oxford or the Phantom of Fisher

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Hall.

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A Phantom?

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A Phantom.

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So this is a little bit of a ghost story, but it's very much-

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Yes!

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Woo woo woo woo woo.

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Yeah!

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Eli really wanted a ghost story.

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Yes.

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Spooky.

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Well, I'm assuming, like myself, I'm assuming most of our listeners have a heightened interest

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in spooky season.

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I would imagine, yes.

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And especially now, I think even if maybe Halloween isn't your personality, I think

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a lot of people like a scary ghost story around Halloween.

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Just a good red blooded American just loves it anyway.

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And this takes place April 19th, 1953 at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio.

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So Miami of Ohio.

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Ron Tammann is a 19 year old sophomore, originally from Maple Heights, Ohio, which is a suburb

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of Cleveland.

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He is the second oldest of five siblings.

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And his younger brother is actually a freshman at Miami as well.

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So his younger brother is there.

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He worked as a freshman counselor, which is essentially an RA or a residential assistant

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in today's college terms.

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And his roommate was also a freshman counselor.

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Ron is described as popular, smart, stable, someone of outstanding character.

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He was part of the wrestling team and played bass in the Campus Owls, which is a dance

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music organization.

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Because he was part of this, they had gigs all over the area of around the college.

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So he had special permission to have his car on campus because typically students at this

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time were not allowed to have cars, but he had permission to have a car.

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So that way he could go to his Campus Owl gigs.

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And he was in the School of Business Management.

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And at the time he went missing, he was five foot nine.

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He had dark hair and weighed 175 pounds.

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So Sunday, April 19th, 1953.

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It is a strangely cold day for April and it is near freezing.

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Throughout the day, snow flurries had been falling all day.

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So it was a really cold day in April.

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So that evening, it's reported that Ron is seen in Fisher Hall, which is his dorm room,

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between 7 and 9 PM.

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So that is when he's last reported being seen.

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And Fisher Hall, just as a little offshoot, this place is prime location for a ghost story

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already.

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It's a really old building.

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It was built in 1856 and was originally a women's college.

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It was the Oxford Female College.

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But then it was purchased by Oxford Retreat Co. and turned into a sanitarium for the mentally

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disturbed.

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And this lasted from the late 1890s to 1926.

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So then in 1927, Miami University, they purchased this sanitarium and turned it into a dorm.

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And it's reported that students would find straight jackets and quote other mementos

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from the days of the sanitarium.

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And during World War II, the Navy occupies the building for training purposes.

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And the building is actually christened as a ship.

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It's the USS Fisher Hall, which I just thought was kind of interesting that this was technically

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a ship for a little bit, I guess.

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Yeah, I have this like image of them, like breaking champagne on the side of the building,

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like they do with ships, you know, I just, I don't know if they did that.

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But that's all I can think about whenever I read that.

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So then after the war, it was turned back into a dorm in 1944.

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And this is where we find ourselves in 1953.

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It's a men's dorm.

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So around 8pm, Ron comes downstairs, his room is on the second floor.

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And he asked the hall manager for two sheets, a pillowcase and a mattress cover because

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someone had put a dead fish in his bed.

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So he needed to change the sheets.

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Around 830, it said that he went into his room, which is room 225.

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And it was in the northwest corner of the building.

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He shut the door and sat down at his desk to study.

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And this is the last time that anybody truly sees Ron is in this moment.

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Around midnight, Ron's roommate Charles Finley returns from visiting his family in Dayton,

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Ohio.

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And when he gets to Fisher, he finds that their dorm room, the door is open.

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The radio is left playing.

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Ron's textbook was left open on the table.

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And it was a psychology notebook.

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And this is an interesting fact because Ron had actually dropped psychology earlier that

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semester.

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So it wasn't a class that he was actively taking at the time.

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But that's the book that was open and presumed he was studying out of.

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Did you take psychology?

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Yeah, it was considered a science.

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So it was in my mind, one of the easier sciences that I could take.

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Did you like it?

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I didn't like it as much as I thought I would.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah, it's surprising.

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You would probably have liked, I made the mistake and I took sociology instead of psychology.

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I think you would have liked sociology more.

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Sociology is more statistics.

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I did take sociology actually.

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That was considered an arts and humanities class, but psychology was considered a science.

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And we had labs and stuff that we had to do.

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So it was pretty clinical.

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Labs?

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Yeah, we would have to go, we had to be part of the seniors' experiments that they were

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doing, or the tests they were running, whatever they were.

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What did they do?

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I just remember the one that I sat in on was like, they made me sort bird seed.

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But then after, so after they made me sort bird seed.

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First of all, that's extra funny.

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One, because of the sentence alone.

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And what, you just said that that was a real thing.

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That's real.

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But after they made me sort the bird seed, then they like-

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Wait, no, that's funny.

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Because, because you, well I'm sure some of our listeners don't know what you look like,

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but we constantly talk about how you are a bird person.

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Yes.

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Because like- And I'm cold and fragile like a bird.

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But after they made me sort bird seed, like the whole point of the experiment was, then

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they like brought me and like I guess other people that were like doing the same thing,

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sorting bird seed in other rooms, they like brought us in and they like asked us if we

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thought the task was interesting or if we like enjoyed doing it or something.

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And so one person that spoke first was like, yeah, I really enjoyed it.

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It was a lot of fun.

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I thought it was cool.

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And so then the experiment was to see if like we would be suggested to like say, oh yeah,

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it was cool because this person that spoke first like set that bar.

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But I remember when they got to me, I was like, I don't really understand why I had

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to sort bird seed.

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I was like, it wasn't terrible, but I don't think I'd do it again.

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You were the Will Smith candidate in like Men in Black.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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That was just like, I will not be suggested.

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You cannot suggest an idea to me.

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You have to vary differently from all the other cadets.

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Yeah.

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The hypothesis was that I'd be like, yes, it was so fun.

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Okay.

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So we're back in 1953.

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Ron's psychology book is left open, but he's not taking that class.

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So Charles doesn't really think much of it because by all accounts, the lights are on,

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the radio's on, the book is open.

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It just seems like Ron has stepped out for a minute and will return at any moment.

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Charles is up for about another hour.

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You know, he just got back from out of town.

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He's putting his things away.

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And when Ron doesn't show up, Charles assumes that he must have went to his frat house,

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which is Delta Tau Delta.

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And so Charles goes to sleep, but he leaves the light on for Ron in case he comes back,

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which I thought was really nice.

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So some things to note about Ron's room.

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So besides the things that I've mentioned of like what was left on, the book being left

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out, none of Ron's clothes or luggage were missing.

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All of that was there and accounted for.

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The only clothes that did seem to be missing were the clothes that he was seen wearing

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that evening.

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His wallet and his IDs were there, but the cash was taken out of it.

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But by all accounts, it was only $10 or $11 that he possibly could have had on him or

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that was missing from his wallet.

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But people kind of assume that he has the $10 or $11 on him.

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Did you do the, what's it called, inflation?

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How much that would be in today's money?

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I did it for this, but he also has a bank account that has $100 in it.

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And so I did do the inflation for that.

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So in today's dollars, that'd be like right around a thousand dollars.

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Hell yeah.

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But this is never touched.

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So after he goes missing, nothing ever happens with this bank account until his family has

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it legally closed.

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But that money is never touched.

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And on his desk is a receipt for his car's insurance policy that he had paid a year for.

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So he had paid his year policy.

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He was up to date on his insurance and that receipt was sitting on the desk as well.

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So the next day, Monday, April 20th, 1953, Charles wakes up and the lights are still

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on and there's no sign that Ron had come back or had been there at all.

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So Charles begins to worry a little bit, but he goes about his day and he swings by Ron's

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frat house, Delta Tau Delta, to ask if anybody had seen him.

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And they said that they hadn't and that he hadn't been there the night before.

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So in the evening, Charles is nervous and he alerts the dorm staff who alert the Dean

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of Men whose name is Karl Knox.

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And so a thorough search is done of Fisher Hall and they don't find anything.

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They do find Ron's car, which is a 1949 Chevy, and it's undisturbed, still sitting in the

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parking lot where Ron had last parked it by all accounts.

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And his bass is in the back seat and this is his instrument that he played with the

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campus owls.

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So that's all they are unaccounted for, but there's no sign of Ron anywhere.

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So Tuesday, nothing really happens.

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The university is kind of expecting him to show up and have a story for why he's gone.

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On Wednesday, it's unclear if it's on Tuesday or Wednesday, but sometime during these days,

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the university is getting a hold of his family and ask is Ron with you?

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Do you know where he is?

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He's not here and they're baffled.

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They have no idea where he would be.

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They ask his younger brother who's on campus, a freshman on campus, and he has no idea where

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his brother went.

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Nobody has any idea where Ron is.

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On Thursday, April 23rd, so he's been missing since Sunday, there's no word from Ron.

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So that evening, the university contacts the police to report that he's missing.

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That Friday, April 24th, the police getting this missing person report, they searched

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nearby creeks and his room and there's no sign of violence.

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There's no sign of Ron anywhere.

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So police immediately begin to report that it's likely that he's suffering from amnesia.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And his parents think this unlikely.

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The professors at the school are like, he had really good grades.

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Yeah, what do you think of that?

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I don't know how often this happens, to be honest with you.

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Like this, I don't know.

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It seems for the police to get called Thursday night and for Friday, them to be reporting

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in the newspaper that they think it's amnesia.

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I think it's a little fast to jump to amnesia.

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They think he has just forgotten who he is, where he is and has wandered off and there's

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been no sign of him.

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Like nobody, like no hospitals have said like, hey, this young man walked in not knowing

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who he is, you know, like nothing.

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Yeah, that's odd.

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Yeah.

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It's just, it seems very quick to jump to amnesia with no other evidence.

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He has no history of it.

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His parents write this off.

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His professors are like, he's a really smart guy.

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Like he had good grades.

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Like it doesn't seem like he was like so stressed to a point he got amnesia.

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Like none of, all of that is kind of written out by others.

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On Saturday, April 25th, more than 400 students search the countryside for Ron or for clues

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about his whereabouts.

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These frats and the ROTC, they make up a sizable portion of the search and the students cover

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a three mile radius from Fisher Hall going in each direction.

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So north, south, east, west.

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They all fan out and look for Ron.

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No trace of Ron anywhere.

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No clues picked up.

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That's reported.

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Wednesday, April 29th.

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So Ron has been missing for 10 days at this point.

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The Oxford police chief is quoted as saying, quote, we have done everything we can at this

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end.

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We are just stimmied.

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The trail simply vanishes in his room in Fisher Hall.

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And that's the police chief, Oscar Decker.

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And you'll hear me quote Decker quite a bit moving forward.

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So police do not suspect that foul play is the case.

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And they point to the facts that there doesn't seem to be any struggle or sign of violence

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in his room.

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They also mention, you know, Ron was part of the varsity wrestling team at Miami.

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So he's a strong guy.

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They think it unlikely that somebody could have overpowered him without there being signs

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of a struggle or violence or something like that.

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And because the only valuables that had been missing from Ron's room were the $10 or $11

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from his wallet and they couldn't find his watch, but there's a good chance that he was

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wearing that at the time.

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So those were the only items missing besides his clothes and Ron himself from the room.

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Oxford police will request help from the FBI.

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But since no crimes have been committed at this point, they have no jurisdiction.

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And then this is Decker again, quote, since everything points to the fact that the boy

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left the room in Fisher Hall on his own accord, no crime has been committed.

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All we can do now is wait.

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And that's Decker.

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And again, this is 10 days after Ron goes missing, which just seems like really quick

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to be like, well, we've done everything.

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All we can do is wait now.

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Like we did all we could.

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Yeah.

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Over the weekend of May 2nd, 1953, frat members from Ron's fraternity will investigate a tip

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that he was seen in Cincinnati, but this turns up nothing.

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Also, I don't know why police are not investigating this.

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I don't know why frat boys are Scooby doing around Cincinnati.

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Haha, Scooby doing.

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Sunday, May 17th.

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So we're coming up on a month that Ron has been missing here.

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There's a headline in the Dayton Daily that Tammond case might never be solved.

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So this is just shy of a month that the newspaper is reporting that this will never be solved.

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Police are still reporting and driving this belief that he is suffering from amnesia.

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And now they're saying he probably hitched hike out of town.

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There's no evidence of this.

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Police are just kind of like, well, if he has amnesia and he's not in town, then he

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must be somewhere else.

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He hitched hike.

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They just like keep adding to this story with no evidence.

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I don't know.

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Silly bellies.

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On Monday, May 18th, Ron's family is informed that the FBI has joined the search for Ron.

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So the FBI joins the case and they only join the case because the draft board tries to

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get a hold of Ron, but they can't locate him.

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So now he's like a draft dodger and the FBI is involved.

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Okay.

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The FBI is like, you are property of us, so we will find you.

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This is it.

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Friday, June 12th, 1953, the FBI reports that they can find no trace of Ron, so they're

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unable to locate him.

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And on June 21st, Decker is reported in the paper as saying, quote, he's a victim of

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amnesia and he's probably alive and quite healthy, but hasn't the slightest idea who

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he is.

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He may be hundreds of miles away somewhere where no one has recognized him.

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End quote.

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Also, Decker- He has amnesia.

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Yeah.

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He also became police chief one month before Ron went missing.

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So this was like his first big case and he's like, well, it's amnesia folks.

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And they rerun Ron's picture in the paper.

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And then that following week after rerunning his picture in the paper, Mrs. Carl Spivey,

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and I am so, I apologize to our listeners.

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I could not find a first name for her.

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It's only reported as a Mrs. Her husband's name.

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So Mrs. Carl Spivey, she comes forward and says that she saw Ron the night he disappeared.

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She claims that Ron knocked on her door around 11 PM at her home in Seven Mile.

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Seven Mile is around 10 or 11 miles from Miami University.

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And when I plugged this into just Google Maps quickly, it says that this would be a little

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over three hours to walk it.

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He asked what town he was in and where he could be if he went, quote, that direction.

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And he points towards Middleton, Ohio.

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She told him he could catch a bus to Middleton and gave directions to a bus stop.

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She learned the next day that the bus stopped operating that particular route that Sunday,

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April 19th.

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So she gave this young man directions to a bus stop that didn't exist anymore.

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Mrs. Spivey thought that he could have been having car trouble because it looked like

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he had grease or dirt on his face.

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Mrs. Spivey continues to say that she must have missed the first reports of him going

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missing but recognized him when his picture was re-ran in the paper.

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And she described the clothing that Ron was wearing the night he disappeared.

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But it's never confirmed if this encounter is Ron or not.

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Oh, okay.

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Police love this account because it helps support the amnesia theory.

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Since Decker, again, thinks it makes sense that since the weather was bad, thus traffic

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was light that night, there weren't a lot of cars in the road, Decker believed it was

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possible that Ron could have walked the 10 or 11 miles in two and a half hours.

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So I think that's a bit of a stretch because Ron also isn't dressed for the weather.

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It's freezing and he doesn't have his coat on him at all.

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But whatever, Decker loves to just write it off and chalk everything up to amnesia.

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Okay, so summer of 1953.

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The assistant dean of men, Howard Stevenson and his wife Kay are vacationing in upstate

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New York.

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They stop by a roadside diner and they're sitting down looking at the menu.

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Howard looks around the restaurant and he sees a young man who looks like Ron sitting

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alone in a booth.

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So he turns to his wife to tell her and when he points to the booth, the man is gone.

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Howard gets up and walks over to the...

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The Phantom.

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Howard gets up and walks over to the booth, but he isn't there.

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There's no evidence that the young man was there.

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And so then he goes to the parking lot.

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I forgot about the Phantom.

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So then he goes to the parking lot, but he doesn't see anybody leave.

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So this young man just disappeared.

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So yeah, the first kind of phantom-y Ron story.

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April 19th, 1954, one year since he's been missing.

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Ron's family fully believes that he's still alive.

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His mother's quoted as saying, quote, almost nothing has turned up, but we feel sure he

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is still alive somewhere.

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He just wasn't the type to cause us worry, end quote.

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And she also says that the last time she saw Ron was the weekend before he disappeared,

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when he had visited home and he was in really high spirits.

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He didn't seem depressed at all.

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And he seemed excited a week before he disappeared.

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So this doesn't seem like somebody who wants to run away or is stressed and needs to flee.

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So fall of 1954, residents of Fisher Hall, this is the dorm he disappeared from, they

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began to hear whispers in the formal garden just beyond Fisher Hall.

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So they start to hear whispers, but loud enough to hear it from the hall.

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So very loud whispers.

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In late October, around midnight, a high falsetto voice is heard singing from the gardens by

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several residents in Fisher Hall.

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It happens again at the same time the next night.

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So two nights in a row, this high falsetto singing is heard from the gardens.

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One resident decides, you know what, second night, I'm going to be down there tomorrow

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night so if it happens again, I'm going to see what happens.

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I'm going to see this whole thing for myself.

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So him and just a couple of his buddies, they go out there.

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This is the third night.

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So they hear the singing as they're out in the gardens and they see an all white figure

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and they begin to walk towards it.

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The figure sees them and takes off running.

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And according to these boys...

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Running like with, you could hear like...

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That's not reported, but they say that it takes off running at a superhuman speed and

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that they could not catch up.

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So it takes off...

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Superhuman.

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Superhuman.

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And it disappears towards the golf course that was on campus at the time.

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The boys had chased after it, but they couldn't catch up.

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But they're far away from the gardens and as this figure disappears, they hear singing

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coming from the gardens again.

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Only this time, instead of just the high falsetto, it goes from a deep bass to a high falsetto

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now.

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So it's got full range now.

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The next night, after the boys have told their encounter, a group of RAs decide they're going

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to go out and figure out what's going on.

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And so they go out to the gardens and again, they hear the singing.

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This time though, they see a black cloud figure with long hair and long legs.

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As they approach it, again, this black figure sees the group of RAs and takes off running

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in the same direction as the white figure.

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The RAs chase it, but they only do it half-heartedly.

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None of them really want to get close to it.

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So then the next night...

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So this is about five or six nights now that the singing has been heard and two nights

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in a row that a phantom-like figure has been seen out here.

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So then the next night, a pack of freshmen, about 25 of them, they all get together and

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they all go out there.

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They're like, we're going to catch this person.

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We're going to catch this thing.

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We're going to figure it out.

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All 25 of us.

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So a big group of them go down there.

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And the same thing happens.

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They hear the singing.

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They see a black figure with long hair and long legs.

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And as soon as the figure sees them, takes off running.

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The fastest runner of the group, so the person who got closest to this black figure, said

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that the closer he got to it, the less interested he was in catching it.

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So that's really icky to me and makes me feel creepy-crawly because it's like the closer

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he got to it, the more he was like, you know what?

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Fuck it.

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I don't want a part of any of this.

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Fuck it.

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He's like, I don't know.

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This time the figure doesn't run towards the golf course, but it runs towards a creek

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and disappears.

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And this becomes the phantom of Fisher Hall.

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And it happens about one year after Ron goes missing.

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So for Ron's case, nothing really happens at the two or three year mark.

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There's no signs of him.

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His bank account stays inactive.

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In 1958, the first floor of Fisher Hall is turned into a theater.

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And the theater department is housed there.

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And the second and third floor are condemned.

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And they are barricaded and blocked off from access.

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In 1958, about five and a half years, there'll be like a resurgent of Ron's story in the

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media because human remains will be unearthed at a gravel pit and they'll generally match

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the size of Ron and the shape of him.

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But this turns out not to be Ron.

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It's actually a well-preserved 3000 year old indigenous skeleton.

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So way before Ron.

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In the seven year anniversary, this is April 20th, 1960.

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So it's been seven years since he went missing.

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Police will now believe that he walked away on his own will, his own accord.

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They kind of ditch the amnesia theory at this point.

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And they say he walked away on his own accord.

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But again, people disagree because nothing was taken out of the room, not even his coat

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on such a cold night.

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His bank account again remains inactive and he only had maybe 10 or $11 on him potentially.

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And a paper will interview Charles, his roommate.

482
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:04,800
And his roommate was deeply affected by Ron going missing because they were quote, very,

483
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840
very close.

484
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:12,560
And he'll actually go under doctor's care for a nervousness disorder, which is reported

485
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,520
in the paper, which is crazy back in the day.

486
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,360
When nervousness disorder, I'm like, oh my, that's me every day.

487
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640
I need to go under doctor's care for my anxiety.

488
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,640
Right.

489
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,640
Wow.

490
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,640
Shout out to Lexabrow.

491
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Shout out to SSRIs.

492
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,200
Yeah, truly.

493
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,200
Wow.

494
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:35,120
If you are one who takes meds for that, good for you.

495
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,280
They've really helped me out.

496
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640
So now we're in the sixties.

497
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,120
The theater guild will occupy Fisher hall and theater professors will have their offices

498
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:47,120
there.

499
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:52,400
And so these next stories, I couldn't find specific dates for them, but I know they happened

500
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,400
in the sixties.

501
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,560
So one Halloween, the theater guild, they hold a seance and nothing major happens at

502
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:00,560
the seance.

503
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:07,040
But the next day, someone who was at the seance is alone in the auditorium there and he's

504
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,360
listening to a speech and he'll hear footsteps up on the second floor.

505
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Again, the second floor is supposed to be barricaded and no one should be up there,

506
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,960
but he hears footsteps up there.

507
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:20,960
Okay.

508
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Another Halloween, the theater guild brought in a medium this time for the seance and the

509
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,800
medium has a vision.

510
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:33,240
The vision is of a young man coming down from the second floor alone.

511
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:40,080
He goes into the basement, opens the door and finds two men engaged in quote wrongdoing.

512
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,320
She's unable to see what the wrongdoing is.

513
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,920
So we engage in wrongdoing.

514
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,960
That's my first thought, but maybe like drugs or robbery, like a lot of things, whatever.

515
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,920
I don't think this is a real vision she's having.

516
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:58,160
I do believe mediums can have visions, but everything she says had been reported in the

517
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
newspaper except for the story she's making up, maybe making up.

518
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,320
I don't know.

519
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,440
The second could not tell what the wrongdoing was.

520
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Had no idea.

521
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:13,600
So the two men in the room turn and beat up the young man that's alone and they end up

522
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,600
killing him.

523
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,480
He falls dead to the floor.

524
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,920
The next thing the medium sees is two men dragging the body up out of the basement,

525
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,440
down a deserted corridor and out into the darkness, then digging a hole on a hillside

526
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,200
and putting the body in.

527
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,900
Where the hole was, the medium had no clue.

528
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:38,680
So no real specifics, but this is a story that the medium tells the theater guild on

529
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,040
a Halloween.

530
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,240
And then the theater department professors who obviously spent a lot of time there, a

531
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:49,720
lot of time late at night, they reported hearing footsteps all the time coming from the second

532
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:57,880
floor of chandeliers moving really slightly and slowly, lights going dim and then returning

533
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,640
to full brightness.

534
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400
October 31st, 1967.

535
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,400
This is 15 years since Ron has been missing.

536
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,760
A newspaper actually runs a story about the ghost of Fisher Hall and folks claim the haunting

537
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,000
is recent and they all tie it back to Ron.

538
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:18,080
They say that the haunting only started after Ron went missing.

539
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:24,980
On November 3rd, the same newspaper had received a letter from an alumni of Miami.

540
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:30,160
Her name is Virginia Ronald and she wrote in to tell the paper that the ghost had been

541
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,480
there before Ronald.

542
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,400
So she claims the phantom was well known beforehand.

543
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,980
And she's quoted as saying, quote, the ghost was supposed to have been left over when Fisher

544
00:33:39,980 --> 00:33:42,680
Hall was transferred to the university.

545
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,800
It had served as a private mental home before being appropriated by the university, but

546
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:53,840
Tammans disappearance seemed to make the Fisher ghost more active, end quote.

547
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:58,920
And she went to Miami at the same time as Ron and she said that her husband actually

548
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800
lived in the same dorm as Ron.

549
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:06,420
I don't know if that's Fisher Hall or maybe his freshman dorm, but that's what she says

550
00:34:06,420 --> 00:34:11,840
that this ghost was there beforehand, but a lot of people tie the phantom to Ron.

551
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:18,700
So in the late sixties, the university discovered that fraternities mostly had been using the

552
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:23,680
second and third floor to break into to do ghost hunting.

553
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,600
They had been creating newspaper torches since there was no electricity.

554
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,000
So this is like a huge fire hazard.

555
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,260
The second and third floors were already condemned.

556
00:34:33,260 --> 00:34:36,560
So the university closes the building in 1968.

557
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:37,560
Okay.

558
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,560
Okay.

559
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,740
So now we're into the seventies, April 23rd, 1973.

560
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:44,200
This is 20 years Ron has been missing.

561
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,320
A doctor comes forward.

562
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,200
His name is Dr. Boone and he's the Butler County physician.

563
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,080
And he also serves as the coroner for Butler County.

564
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,380
And he says that Ron visited him November 15th, 1952.

565
00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:02,240
So this would have been five months before he went missing.

566
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:07,920
And Ron visited him because he wanted to know his blood type because he might have to give

567
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,840
blood someday was the reason Ron gave.

568
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080
And this has always stuck out to Dr. Boone.

569
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:19,040
He says it was very strange because this is the only time in his career that someone asked

570
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:24,720
for a blood typing test and also found it strange that Ron didn't have it done at the

571
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,760
university who had a hospital there where he could have gotten this test done or even

572
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,900
in Oxford that he went out of his small college town.

573
00:35:33,900 --> 00:35:41,740
So Dr. Boone was very suspicious of this request from Ron and Dr. Boone says he tried to bring

574
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:47,280
this to the police and the university when Ron went missing, but nobody was interested

575
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,400
in this information.

576
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,040
And there's a part of me that kind of gets it.

577
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,320
I'm like, I can see myself being a plucky 19 year old and just wanting to know my...

578
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,320
Plucky.

579
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,320
Good word.

580
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:00,320
Really great, really great word.

581
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,320
Thank you.

582
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:02,320
Wow.

583
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,000
But yeah, I can see myself a plucky 19 year old being like, what's my blood type?

584
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,360
I'm going to go figure that out.

585
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,660
But I do find it strange that he didn't have it done closer.

586
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:17,640
So this is the newest clue to come out for Ron since the day he disappeared.

587
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:24,640
In May of 1973, so that same year, 20 years missing, there was a push to save Fisher Hall

588
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,800
because a lot of people...

589
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,160
The university was going to demolish it, but because it was such an old building and had

590
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,640
these historical ties, a lot of people wanted to save that.

591
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,480
So like kind of in an effort, they hosted an open house for Fisher Hall and it was actually

592
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,640
super popular.

593
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,900
They had like over a thousand people turn up to it that they had to turn people away.

594
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:51,160
So they decided they're going to do another open house the next week to accommodate everyone

595
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,960
who couldn't get in the first time.

596
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:58,800
So at the second open house, a man came by and he had been at the first open house and

597
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,400
he had recorded the tour on tape.

598
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,840
And I assume for the time that it's a cassette player that he recorded it on and not a video

599
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,840
camera.

600
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,600
So he comes back at the second tour and asks if there were any radios or record players

601
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,360
that had been playing during the first tour.

602
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,520
And they said, no, there's no electricity in this building.

603
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,020
There were no radios or record players during the first tour.

604
00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:27,920
The paper says, quote, he remarked that it was strange since in the background of the

605
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,920
tape, he could distinctly hear someone playing a flute and the tape was new, end quote.

606
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:41,080
So we have a mysterious flute player at Fisher hall as well.

607
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,160
And Ron was a musician.

608
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:48,700
He played bass and I also found a report that he played clarinet as well.

609
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:52,760
So I don't think it's that far of a jump if you play a woodwind to like play a flute

610
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,060
or a piccolo or you know, something else.

611
00:37:55,060 --> 00:38:01,400
So maybe Ron, maybe not, but I could not find any reports of Ron being a flute player, a

612
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,400
flautist.

613
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:08,400
So summer of 1978, 25 years, Ron has been missing.

614
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,280
Fisher hall is demolished.

615
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:16,000
However, when it's being demolished, the crew is instructed to take it apart piece by piece

616
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,240
and to look for skeletal remains.

617
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,300
So they are like, he's got to be in here.

618
00:38:21,300 --> 00:38:23,980
Like he has to be in this building somewhere.

619
00:38:23,980 --> 00:38:25,240
So they do that.

620
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:31,360
They take the building apart piece by piece and no sign of Ron anywhere.

621
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,360
Nothing.

622
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:41,440
They did, however, save 5,000 bricks from Fisher hall and incorporated them into the

623
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,060
Markham hotel, which now sits where Fisher stood.

624
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:51,920
And then that's, that's really the story of the Phantom of Oxford or the Phantom of Fisher

625
00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:00,120
hall and Ron Tam and he, he hasn't been seen since he would be 89 years old today if he

626
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,880
were still alive.

627
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:09,120
I do just want to mention briefly that in my research, I came across the work of Jennifer

628
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:13,000
Wenger, I believe is how you say her last name.

629
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:19,960
Wenger maybe, but she is a Miami alumni and she began researching this case in 2010 and

630
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,160
she has done a crazy amount of research on this case.

631
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,880
And she has her own theory about what happened to Ron, which I just want to mention briefly

632
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:36,720
here, but she believes that Ron died around 1995 and she points to the FBI.

633
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,320
They had a set of Ron's fingerprints cause he was part of the draft.

634
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,240
And I also saw a report that his family, when he was in the second grade, he was fingerprinted.

635
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:52,200
So there were records of his fingerprint on file before he went missing, but the FBI discarded

636
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:57,920
Ron's fingerprints and regulations allow them to destroy fingerprints seven years after

637
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,180
a person's death.

638
00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:06,800
She also believes that Ron's psych professor was involved in the CIA and that Ron may have

639
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,920
been recruited for the CIA.

640
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560
And so that's why he disappeared.

641
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:16,920
And the psych notebook was like, kind of like a, a wink to where he was going.

642
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:23,160
If you want to read more about her research and there's a lot of it, like it would be

643
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,200
its own podcast to like go over all the things that she has found.

644
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,880
I hope she does make a podcast someday if she hasn't already.

645
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,820
And I saw her having updates from like October 13th.

646
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:36,800
So she's been researching this since for 12 years.

647
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,640
So she is, I would say she is like the end all be all.

648
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:45,240
I should say that she does not believe that the phantom of Fisher hall or the phantom

649
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,040
of Oxford is Ron.

650
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:52,200
I don't know if it's Ron or not because a lot of reports say that it got really active

651
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,480
after Ron was gone.

652
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:58,440
So I don't know, but Ron is still missing.

653
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:04,920
If you have any information about Ron, if you, maybe your grandpa, if he did have amnesia,

654
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,400
your grandpa has no memories before he was 19.

655
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:09,400
Maybe he's Ron.

656
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:14,080
If you know anything about Ron's disappearance, you are encouraged to call the Oxford police

657
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:19,760
at 513-524-5240.

658
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:20,760
But that's it.

659
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:26,200
That's the story of Ron Tammann and the ghost of, or the phantom of Oxford, Ohio.

660
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:32,800
I really love that it's phantom and not ghost.

661
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,160
Like I don't know what the distinction is.

662
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,600
Yeah, no, this is, this is the phantom.

663
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,760
Sources for today's podcast come from the Sydney daily news.

664
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,520
The Dayton daily times, the Tribune, the Akron beacon journal, Chillicothe Gazette, Marysville

665
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:55,840
journal tribunes, Springfield new sun, the journal Harold, the Cincinnati inquirer, the

666
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,800
Wilmington news journal, the daily times, the daily reporter, Dayton daily news, the

667
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:11,000
journal news, the Miami websites, the October 27th, 1982 lecture by Dr. Schriever and Ronald

668
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:12,000
Tammann.com.

669
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,680
Yeah, but that's it.

670
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:19,840
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671
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:20,840
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672
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:26,600
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677
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679
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680
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681
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682
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,720
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683
00:42:53,720 --> 00:43:12,120
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