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Cold and Missing: Stella Bolton & JJ Moore

Cold and Missing: Stella Bolton & JJ Moore
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Cold and Missing

Stella and JJ were roommates and close friends who lived in a working-class neighborhood in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Stella was known for her kindness and generosity towards her neighbors, while JJ was a veteran with a love for cars. On February 17, 1991, a fire broke out in their home, and the bodies of Stella and JJ were found inside. Autopsy results revealed that they had been stabbed multiple times before the fire was set. The case remains unsolved, but in recent years, Detective Rochelle Jones has developed multiple persons of interest, believing that the motive for the murder was money. Join Ali as we look into this cold case.

If you know anything about the murder for Stella Bolton and James ‘JJ’ Moore in February of 1991 please contact Det. Rochelle Jones directly at 603-610-7503

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1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:13,780 The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts. 2 00:00:13,780 --> 00:00:18,400 All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. 3 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,160 Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages. 4 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,560 Listener discretion is advised. 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,280 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,680 And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski. 7 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:34,400 And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases. 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,400 Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing. 9 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,560 I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:46,240 And my co-host, my wonderful husband, Eli Sulkowski, is again taking a break from the 11 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,100 podcast right now. 12 00:00:48,100 --> 00:00:54,080 My mother-in-law, his mom, passed away recently, so he's just taking some time to grieve and 13 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:55,520 to take care of himself. 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,640 So thank you so much. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,460 If you have reached out, we've gotten lots of well wishes and condolences. 16 00:01:02,460 --> 00:01:03,800 So thank you so much. 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,840 It really means the world to us. 18 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,180 And it's so kind and so thoughtful. 19 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:10,800 So thank you. 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,760 And also thank you to everyone who reached out. 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:18,100 I know last week I talked a little bit about my mental health and how it was affecting 22 00:01:18,100 --> 00:01:21,360 me specifically in getting a new episode of the podcast out. 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,560 And so many people reached out and said, it's totally okay. 24 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,520 I understand where you're coming from. 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,000 I suffer with that as well. 26 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:30,480 I get it. 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:35,440 So just thank you so much for those kind words and your understanding. 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:36,840 It means so much to me. 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:43,200 And it helps me not feel as ashamed of my mental health or not feeling like I'm strong 30 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,720 enough or good enough or I just can't muscle through it. 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:53,440 I got to release a lot of that guilt that I was feeling just by your kind words. 32 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:58,040 So thank you so much if you've reached out or even if you've just thought about us or 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,040 prayed about us. 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,720 It's so appreciative and we definitely feel it. 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,000 I also just want to take a quick second at the top. 36 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,500 We got a new review in our Apple podcast. 37 00:02:07,500 --> 00:02:08,500 So thank you so much. 38 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:10,000 It was so kind. 39 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,520 Someone said that they're newer to podcasts and they're really enjoying ours. 40 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:15,280 So thank you for being here. 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,760 I hope you're still with us and enjoying the podcast. 42 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:24,680 Actually if you leave us a review on Apple podcasts, I am 100% going to know about it 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,440 and I'm going to glow about it all week. 44 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,800 It just it means so much to me and it helps others find this podcast as well and give 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:32,800 it a listen. 46 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,200 So thank you if you've already done that. 47 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,720 And maybe if you have some time while you're listening to the new episode right now, you 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,360 can just go ahead and leave us a quick review in Apple podcast or whatever platform you're 49 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,360 on. 50 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,360 It would be so helpful. 51 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:52,520 It just helps this podcast get to more people and therefore these stories get to more people. 52 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,040 So thank you for doing your part. 53 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:56,880 Means the world to me. 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:01,240 But otherwise, I think we should just go ahead and jump into the case. 55 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,780 We are on a cold case this week. 56 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:09,560 So today we are talking about the cold case of Stella Bolton and James J.J. Moore. 57 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,480 And this takes place in Portsmouth, New Hampshire in February of 1991. 58 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,240 But first a little bit about Stella and J.J. 59 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,160 Stella is 68 years old in 1991. 60 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,660 She was born May 6, 1922. 61 00:03:24,660 --> 00:03:31,680 And James, who goes by J.J., is 73 years old and was born December 1, 1917. 62 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,160 The two lived together as roommates. 63 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:39,440 J.J. had known Stella's husband and when he passed away, Stella and J.J., who was also 64 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,160 a widower, took care of each other. 65 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Even though they lived together, they slept in separate bedrooms in their small rented 66 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,520 bungalow in what was then known as Mariners Village. 67 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760 They were the best of friends. 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,640 Mariners Village was a working class neighborhood where everyone looked out for each other. 69 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,200 Stella was originally from Trinidad and acted as a grandmother to all of the children in 70 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:02,280 the neighborhood. 71 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,000 She always welcomed neighbors for a meal and would often pass cookies out to the neighborhood 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,160 children. 73 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:13,160 Stella helped care for J.J., who had diabetes and gout in his later years. 74 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:19,200 He was a veteran having served in three wars, World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. 75 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,880 J.J. was also known for his love of cars. 76 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Just about every year, he would buy a brand new Buick. 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,120 Their neighbors had nothing but glowing remarks about them. 78 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,880 Their neighbor Ray Harris said, quote, They were just people you would love to have for 79 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:33,880 a neighbor. 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,480 They had a little front porch 10 feet from the street, so you couldn't go anywhere 81 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:38,920 without seeing them. 82 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:40,160 You had to know them. 83 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,120 They loved company, and if you didn't sit and visit with them, you stood on the sidewalk 84 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:45,880 and talked as you went by. 85 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:46,880 End quote. 86 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,680 Another neighbor, who also happened to be a city counselor, Linda Pannori, says, quote, 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,100 They were the kind of people everybody loved. 88 00:04:54,100 --> 00:04:57,840 It wasn't unusual to see an ice cream truck pull up and they would whip out some money 89 00:04:57,840 --> 00:05:00,440 and buy all the kids in the neighborhood some ice cream. 90 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:02,440 That's the kind of people they were. 91 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:04,480 Just loving and wonderful people. 92 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:05,480 End quote. 93 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,040 Now a timeline of events. 94 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:14,220 On Saturday, February 16th, 1991, in the evening hours, Stella went out to play bingo, one 95 00:05:14,220 --> 00:05:18,440 of her favorite things to do, while JJ stayed at their shared home. 96 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:23,960 It was rumored that Stella had been on a big winning streak at her bingo games recently. 97 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:28,280 We know that Stella did eventually return home to the house she shared with JJ. 98 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:35,400 In the early morning hours of Sunday, February 17th, 1991, at around 1 30 a.m., a fire is 99 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,440 reported at 74 Rockhill Avenue in the Mariners Village complex. 100 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,040 This ends up being a two alarm fire, which means that the responding fire department 101 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,860 had to call in additional assistance from other fire departments. 102 00:05:48,860 --> 00:05:51,520 The fire even spread to the house next door. 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,840 While fighting the fire, firefighters discovered the remains of two bodies. 104 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:59,680 Officers on the scene assume that the two perished in the house fire. 105 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Police don't have a confirmed ID on the bodies, but the whole neighborhood knew. 106 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,200 Neighbor Linda Pinores says, quote, There was such shock because it was so insane. 107 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,160 And they had lived in the same place such a long time you couldn't even say maybe somebody 108 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:14,840 got the wrong house. 109 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:15,840 End quote. 110 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:18,220 Fire investigators ruled the fire as arson. 111 00:06:18,220 --> 00:06:22,480 The fire was started intentionally in the back left bedroom and spread throughout the 112 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,860 home and to the home next door. 113 00:06:24,860 --> 00:06:26,860 On Monday, February 18th. 114 00:06:26,860 --> 00:06:29,800 So this is the next day after the fire. 115 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,940 Medical examiners begin an autopsy to confirm the IDs of the two bodies found in the home. 116 00:06:34,940 --> 00:06:39,160 It is confirmed that the bodies that were found were Stella and JJ. 117 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:44,480 However, the medical examiner also discovers that each of them had been stabbed multiple 118 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,160 times and were murdered before the fire was set. 119 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:53,200 In the following days after the fire, rumors began to spread around the neighborhood about 120 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,440 who would hurt these two beloved figures. 121 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,680 Neighbor Ray Harris says, quote, Teenagers looking for money, a robbery gone bad. 122 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,120 There were personal theories and police theories and criminology theories. 123 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,360 She was playing bingo that night and he was home alone. 124 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,400 And there's a theory that she came home and surprised a robber and he set the fire to 125 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,000 cover up the evidence. 126 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,280 End quote. 127 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,960 Police begin to comb through the neighborhood going door to door asking questions. 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:25,760 Police begin to wonder if Stella and JJ's open and welcoming nature was used against 129 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:26,960 them. 130 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,480 As police are going through the burned out home, a young boy approaches police and tells 131 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,200 them that he found a knife. 132 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,680 The knife is about eight inches and police do believe that this is the murder weapon. 133 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:45,280 On Thursday, February 21st, 1991, just four days after their murder, Stella and James 134 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,320 are laid to rest. 135 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,360 Hundreds of people attend the funeral. 136 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:54,240 Folks come from all over to pay respects to Stella and JJ, including Pennsylvania, New 137 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,520 York and Trinidad. 138 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,100 Stella and JJ are ultimately laid to rest together. 139 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:04,200 Police are chasing leads, but they're not public about what they're looking for or 140 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,160 who they're looking at. 141 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,240 Police do tell the public that the rumor that Stella had won thousands playing bingo the 142 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,800 night before she died was false. 143 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,300 But people in the neighborhood, along with police, will continue to talk about her bingo 144 00:08:17,300 --> 00:08:21,320 winnings as a potential motive over the years. 145 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:28,240 In June of 1994, so this is three years since the murder of Stella and JJ, there is a grand 146 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,760 jury held in regards to this case. 147 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,360 Now police seem to have been working on this case in the background because I couldn't 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:40,040 really find any media coverage outside of the initial shock of the crime. 149 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:45,720 But come June of 1994, they do hold a grand jury against a person of interest. 150 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,160 However, police don't get an indictment against this person. 151 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Because grand juries are held in secrecy, we do not know who the person of interest 152 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:59,480 in this case is or was, if they're still considered a person of interest at all. 153 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:04,600 However, from these proceedings, police will go on to arrest William Schroeder, who is 154 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:10,440 30 years old, for tampering with a witness and hindering a police investigation. 155 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,840 Police believe that William has withheld information about the murder investigation to them the 156 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,840 police and also when he was a witness for the grand jury. 157 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:22,780 He also told another person to lie to the grand jury. 158 00:09:22,780 --> 00:09:26,400 This other person happened to be a police detective. 159 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Police hope that his arrest will generate more leads and tips in the case of Stella 160 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,000 and JJ. 161 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:37,600 The chief of the Criminal Justice Bureau at the Attorney General's Office, Mike Ramsdale, 162 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,440 says, quote, We certainly believe that he had knowledge about what went on on the night 163 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,720 of the murder, and when he wasn't forthcoming, the charges were brought. 164 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:47,800 End quote. 165 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:52,280 Police don't say that they think William was involved in the murder, but they for sure 166 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,480 believe that he has information about the murder. 167 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,200 No murder charges are ever brought against him, and ultimately, William will plead guilty 168 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:05,880 to witness tampering in January of 1995, and he's sentenced to three and a half to seven 169 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,880 years. 170 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:12,280 And it doesn't seem like William ever provides any more information about what he may or 171 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,080 may not know to police. 172 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,960 In May of 1996, so it has been five years since Stella and JJ were murdered, police 173 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,160 connect with Dr. Henry Lee, hoping that he will take a look at the evidence to see if 174 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,680 he could help find some suspects. 175 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:33,160 Dr. Henry Lee, as some of our listeners may recognize, is a forensic scientist who has 176 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,040 worked on some of the most famous cases. 177 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,480 He's worked on the Jean-Béné Ramsey case, O.J. Simpson, Kathleen Peterson, and Kaylee 178 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:44,120 Anthony. 179 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:48,960 Several items are sent to Dr. Lee, but the only DNA that he is able to develop matches 180 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,400 the victim's, so there's no suspect DNA developed. 181 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:59,160 The next year, in October of 1997, so now it's been six years since the murder, police 182 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:04,880 offer a $10,000 reward for any information in this cold case. 183 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:11,920 In the year 2000, they double it to $20,000, and this reward is still in place as of 2023 184 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:16,960 for information leading to an arrest in the murders of Stella and JJ. 185 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:23,660 In 2001, so it's been 10 years since Stella and JJ's murder, there's another double 186 00:11:23,660 --> 00:11:29,840 murder in New Hampshire, a husband and wife who were both professors at Dartmouth College, 187 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,480 half and Suzanne Zantop. 188 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,880 They were both stabbed to death like Stella and JJ. 189 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:41,120 The major difference is that the case received a lot of media attention and resources from 190 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,800 the state to get the case solved. 191 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,320 This didn't sit well with the folks that knew Stella and JJ. 192 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,320 They believed that Stella and JJ deserved just as much media attention and resources 193 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,440 from the police to get the case solved. 194 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,240 Executive counselor Ruth Griffin, who was from Portsmouth, says, quote, they were black 195 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:01,240 and poor. 196 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,120 They lived in subsidized housing. 197 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,480 It has bothered me. 198 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Isn't it the attorney generals who direct how the state prosecutes? 199 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,340 End quote. 200 00:12:10,340 --> 00:12:14,280 Police counter that they continue to work this case and they have never forgotten about 201 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:15,920 Stella and JJ. 202 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,720 Sergeant Michael Ranci says, quote, it is still an active investigation. 203 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,400 We're still going through certain items of evidence collected from the scene, and these 204 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,120 items are being retested due to progress made in forensic sciences. 205 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,940 End quote. 206 00:12:30,940 --> 00:12:33,800 Police do continue to work behind the scenes on the case. 207 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:40,440 However, it's another 10 years before Stella and JJ are back in the media in 2011, 20 years 208 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,320 since their murder. 209 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,720 And they're back in the media because police firmly believe that other people know about 210 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:52,560 what happened the night that they were murdered and have never come forward with this information. 211 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:57,440 Detective Aaron Goodwin says, quote, we're not looking to charge anyone who just has 212 00:12:57,440 --> 00:12:58,700 information. 213 00:12:58,700 --> 00:13:04,080 If you were living in the community and you heard something, anything, come forward, let 214 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,480 us know what it is. 215 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,480 End quote. 216 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:12,720 In 2011, police are confident that they are close to an arrest in this case. 217 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,120 As of 2023, so this is 33 years since Stella and JJ were murdered. 218 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,440 The case is now with Detective Rachelle Jones. 219 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,640 Detective Jones used to live near Stella and JJ as a child. 220 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,800 And she says, quote, for me, just with JJ and Stella, I look at them and I have a personal 221 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040 knowledge of how great they were as people. 222 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,120 And it makes me very angry. 223 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,840 End quote. 224 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,400 Detective Jones took over the case in 2021. 225 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,320 And since then, she has developed multiple persons of interest. 226 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,240 She doesn't get specific, but she says that the person of interest used to live in the 227 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:54,800 neighborhood and they were younger than Stella and JJ, who were in their 60s and 70s. 228 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,760 So it's still very wide range for younger. 229 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,840 Detective Jones has interviewed around 50 people, including the persons of interest. 230 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,440 Police do believe that the motive for the murder was money. 231 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,080 Detective Jones says, quote, we really need the people that are probably still afraid 232 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:18,360 and have that direct knowledge, just one little clue that could help us go forward. 233 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:19,360 End quote. 234 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:23,520 But that is really the last update we have on this case. 235 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,440 Police have felt confident in the past 20 years that this case was going to be solved 236 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,440 soon. 237 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:35,640 But to date, there has never been anybody charged with the murder of Stella and JJ. 238 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:43,080 If you know anything about the murder of Stella Bolton and James JJ Moore in February of 1991, 239 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:51,560 please contact Detective Rachelle Jones directly at 603-610-7503. 240 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,880 And the sources for the timeline to date come from Journal Tribune, Sun Journal, Concord 241 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:04,280 Monitor, Valley News, Morning Centennial, The Boston Globe, Seacoast Online, and WMUR. 242 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,760 So that is the cold case of Stella and JJ. 243 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:16,680 My first reaction when I found this case and started researching it was just how sweet 244 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Stella and JJ are as people and as friends who were in their later years in life and 245 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,000 were supporting each other and taking care of each other. 246 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:34,200 But there wasn't that romantic aspect involved, which I think is so easy to just place on 247 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,520 a man and a woman's friendship. 248 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:40,600 But for them, they were best of friends and they took care of each other through their 249 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,600 golden years. 250 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:46,560 And I just thought it was such a beautiful story and just a beautiful way to live your 251 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,040 life. 252 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:54,920 For that to be cut short when you're already at the end of your life, it just feels like 253 00:15:54,920 --> 00:16:00,140 so tragic that you've lived your whole life, you've done everything, and then at the end 254 00:16:00,140 --> 00:16:02,120 of it, somebody murders you. 255 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,960 You don't even get to live out your final years the way that your maker intends. 256 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:12,800 It just, obviously, at any time, I think a murder is bad. 257 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,520 But there's something about murder of the elderly that just seems so unfair in the same 258 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:22,440 way that it feels so unfair for children to be murdered. 259 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,700 I do have questions around this case, and I'm sure a big one that came up for a lot 260 00:16:26,700 --> 00:16:30,200 of you as well is, who is this person of interest? 261 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,540 Who did they bring against the grand jury? 262 00:16:33,540 --> 00:16:38,880 If I got to sit down with Detective Jones, who is covering the case today, and just ask 263 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,880 and get all the answers I wanted, I would want to know, who is this person of interest 264 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,480 that they took to a grand jury? 265 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:49,000 They didn't get the indictment, so the grand jury didn't feel like there was enough evidence 266 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:54,640 to support that murder charge, or I guess in this case, a double murder charge. 267 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,040 But still, I have to just wonder who this person is. 268 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:03,500 And I know I've mentioned this before, but just being somebody who loves true crime and 269 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:08,640 takes in a lot, I always have to wonder, is this person who they couldn't get the indictment 270 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:15,160 on, are they really a good suspect, or is it somebody that the police just kind of tunnel 271 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,680 visioned in on? 272 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800 That's something that I would like to know as well, but without really knowing who the 273 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:26,680 person is and the evidence they have against him or her, I guess we really don't even know. 274 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,640 But without those details, all you can do is like wildly speculate, which is what I'm 275 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,680 doing right now, so I'll stop. 276 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,680 I also am curious, and I couldn't find any additional details on it, but the murder weapon 277 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,480 was found by a young boy in the neighborhood. 278 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,620 And from all reports, it seems like it was a child that found the knife. 279 00:17:47,620 --> 00:17:52,240 But I couldn't find an exact detail of where the knife was found. 280 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:57,040 By all accounts, it just seems like it was found as somebody was fleeing the crime scene. 281 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:58,640 That was kind of how it was described. 282 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,520 It was dropped or thrown while fleeing the crime scene. 283 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,760 So I assume it was a little bit away from the home. 284 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:06,960 But again, I don't know. 285 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,160 So that would just be something that I would be curious about today. 286 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,280 Where was that found in regards to where the home was, where Stella and JJ's home was? 287 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:22,520 I also wonder who lived in that back left bedroom. 288 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:27,960 From all reports, it does seem like the arson was started in the back left bedroom. 289 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:34,000 So I wonder, was that the target of this attack? 290 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:38,840 Like whoever's bedroom that was, were they kind of the initial target? 291 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:43,720 And then the other person was just the collateral damage of everything. 292 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,920 Again, this is all very much speculation. 293 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,040 But I just wonder. 294 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,960 Or maybe that's just where they started, back left, and they just zipped around with some 295 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,440 kind of accelerant and then started the fire. 296 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,080 Maybe it means something, maybe it means nothing. 297 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,600 But I couldn't find out whose room that was exactly. 298 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:11,920 And then police, during the initial investigation, they tell media that the rumors that Stella 299 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:17,720 had won thousands at bingo the night before she died was untrue. 300 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,080 But I wonder, did she win at all? 301 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,300 Did it just get inflated to where she had won thousands of dollars when maybe in reality 302 00:19:24,300 --> 00:19:29,400 she had won a couple hundred bucks, you know, or maybe she had been winning throughout the 303 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,480 week? 304 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,360 It does seem like bingo is one of her favorite things to go and do. 305 00:19:34,360 --> 00:19:37,580 So had she had a winning streak recently? 306 00:19:37,580 --> 00:19:39,400 Had she been talking about it? 307 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:44,600 Did people just assume that maybe she had more money than she did? 308 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,440 There's stories of her and JJ buying ice cream for everyone in the neighborhood or always 309 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:52,480 giving food or cookies out to neighbors who needed it. 310 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:59,800 So I wonder if someone mistook their kindness for a ton of wealth. 311 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:05,000 From everything that the police report from the beginning until 2023, it does seem like 312 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,880 money is a major motivator in this murder, which is so sad. 313 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,560 Like money is the root of all evil. 314 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,300 Truly fully unstopped. 315 00:20:17,300 --> 00:20:21,280 I wish we could go back in time and just get rid of the need for money at all. 316 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,280 Like it brings so much negative into this world. 317 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,160 And it's the reason that Stella and JJ lost their lives. 318 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:33,860 I mean, JJ was a 30 year vet who served in three wars. 319 00:20:33,860 --> 00:20:36,760 Like he's a national hero in my eyes. 320 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:38,840 You serve in three wars? 321 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,520 You're a hero. 322 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:46,840 He deserved to live out his days exactly how he wanted to and not have them end abruptly. 323 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:52,660 And the same for Stella, who was a beautiful person from all accounts, she acted as a mother 324 00:20:52,660 --> 00:20:55,160 or grandmother to everyone in the neighborhood. 325 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,920 If you needed anything, Stella would have given it to you. 326 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:04,320 They were always chatting with neighbors and just a part of that community. 327 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,280 I just really hope that Stella and JJ get justice. 328 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800 And police do seem to be close. 329 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,620 You know, they keep begging for just that one piece of information, a little clue. 330 00:21:13,620 --> 00:21:19,520 It seems like they just need a little bit more to like get everything to fall in place. 331 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:25,720 And they really do seem convinced that people out there know people in this area, in this 332 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,780 community know what happened to Stella and JJ. 333 00:21:29,780 --> 00:21:35,300 So if you know anything about the death of Stella and JJ in 1991, or if you're from that 334 00:21:35,300 --> 00:21:40,480 area and have heard rumors, please call those into police and police will do the work of 335 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:45,880 sorting out who's right, who's wrong, what's true, what's not like that's their job. 336 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,160 But if you've ever heard anything, you never know what wild rumor might actually have like 337 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,700 a little kernel of truth in it. 338 00:21:52,700 --> 00:22:03,120 So if you know anything at all, please call Detective Rochelle Jones directly at 603-610-7503. 339 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:08,440 And again, I mentioned it at the top of our podcast, but if you could just give us a little 340 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:14,480 review, it helps others find this podcast and it'll help others know Stella and JJ story. 341 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,680 There's very little media coverage, very little podcasts on them. 342 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880 So they deserve to have their case covered and heard. 343 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:28,460 And just by sharing it, promoting it, rating it, you help their names get out to others 344 00:22:28,460 --> 00:22:33,680 out there and their stories get known and ultimately, hopefully close, we get their 345 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:34,980 stories closed. 346 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:40,320 So if you have a minute, please review us if you can, or maybe just share with somebody 347 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,160 in your life that also enjoys true crime. 348 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,480 That's also a win and gets more people knowing about these cases. 349 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760 We'll be posting pictures of Stella and JJ on our Instagram. 350 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,040 So if you're not following us, you can go ahead and follow us there at Cold and Missing. 351 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,040 We're also on YouTube. 352 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,280 We put all of the episodes up on YouTube and there's some lovely conversations happening 353 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,320 in the comment sections, just about the cases in general. 354 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,160 Maybe if you like to listen on YouTube, you can find us there too and subscribe. 355 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:10,720 It's a great time. 356 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,160 We also have our website, ColdandMissing.com. 357 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,880 So all of our episodes are on there. 358 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,780 The YouTube videos are on there. 359 00:23:16,780 --> 00:23:18,160 And we also have transcripts. 360 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,100 So if you or someone that you love is hard of hearing or deaf, you can also follow along 361 00:23:23,100 --> 00:23:27,380 with the podcast or read it at our website, ColdandMissing.com. 362 00:23:27,380 --> 00:23:29,720 But that's all I have for this week. 363 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:31,160 Thank you so much for listening. 364 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,300 I'm Allie McLaughlin-Sulkowski. 365 00:23:33,300 --> 00:23:35,000 This is Cold and Missing. 366 00:23:35,000 --> 00:24:02,040 Have a great week and stay safe, y'all.