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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.
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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages.
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Listener discretion is advised.
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I'm your host, Ali McLaughlin-Sulkowski.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli Sulkowski.
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And this is Cold and Missing, where we cover cold cases and missing person cases.
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Hello everyone and welcome back to Cold and Missing.
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I'm Ali.
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And I'm Eli.
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Welcome back everyone.
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At the top, I just always want to say thank you.
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We had some very kind reviews come in this week.
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Just really appreciate it.
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it so much.
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We are on a missing person case this week and it is episode 116.
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That's correct.
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Should we just go ahead and get into it?
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Yeah, let's do it.
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So just as a bit of a content warning at the top, this case does involve a young person.
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Today we are talking about the missing person case of Tavish Sutton.
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And this takes place in March of 1993 in Atlanta, Georgia.
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But first a little bit about Tavish.
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Tavish is only one month old in March of 1993.
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When Tavish was born in February of 1993, his mother was struggling with schizophrenia.
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Tavish has other brothers and sisters, but his mother had given up her parental rights
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to them.
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A week after Tavish was born, the Department of Family Children and Services, or DCS as
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you'll hear them referred to throughout the podcast, took custody of Tavish.
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He was placed into a foster family and his birth mother went into treatment.
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At this time in 1993, Tavish only weighed eight and a half pounds and was 21 inches
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long.
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And now a timeline of events.
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On Friday, March 5th, 1993, Tavish is admitted to the pediatric unit of Grady Memorial Hospital
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in downtown Atlanta.
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Tavish had an abscess on his stomach that required surgery over the weekends.
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Tavish was placed in a semi-private room.
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Another infant shared his room and their family were staying with them throughout the weekend
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while they recovered.
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Their mom and their sister spent the night most often.
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Over that weekend, Tavish has surgery on his stomach and was recovering comfortably in
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the hospital.
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Monday, March 5th, 1993, that evening, Tavish's foster parents visit him in the hospital.
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They were hopeful that Tavish would be discharged the next day.
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That next day, Tuesday, March 6th, early that morning at 6.45 a.m., Tavish is resting comfortably
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when a nurse checks on him.
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He was wearing a white flower print t-shirt and had Grady Hospital tags on his wrist and
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ankle.
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His roommate and their family are all fast asleep too.
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Everyone seems to be resting and recovering at this hour.
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Just 15 minutes later, at 7 a.m., another nurse comes into the room for a check and
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Tavish has disappeared from his bed.
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Police are called immediately to the hospital and a search is launched.
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However, there appears to have been no witnesses to Tavish's kidnapping and the police have
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no leads and no idea where to go.
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Upon hearing that Tavish was kidnapped, his foster parents are distraught.
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Police question them thoroughly, but his foster parents are ruled out as suspects quickly.
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The next day, Wednesday, March 10th, police and the hospital turn to the media to plead
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for information about Tavish and for his safe return to the hospital.
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The hospital spokesperson says, quote, we're just trying to stress that the baby needs
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to come back to the hospital for post-operative care, end quote.
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Tavish was stable at the time of his kidnapping, medically speaking, but he still required
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urgent care for his recovery after surgery.
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When the hospital is asked how a baby could be kidnapped from their facilities, the spokesperson
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says, quote, if someone were intent on doing this, you can certainly circumvent the best
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security systems, end quote.
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Police are at a loss as to what happened to Tavish, but they are treating it as a kidnapping.
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A week passes and on Wednesday, March 17th, it's been eight days since Tavish was kidnapped.
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Police have been able to rule out Tavish's birth mother as a suspect.
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She was in treatment at the time of the kidnapping and didn't even know that her son had been
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taken to the hospital.
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The FBI has joined the case and search for Tavish, and they also provide a profile of
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the suspect.
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Police believe that a woman took the baby, that she likely was faking a pregnancy to
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try to mend a broken relationship.
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She would have sought to alter her appearance to appear pregnant over the course of nine
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months.
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Police also point to the fact that Tavish is a black baby, that if the woman was trying
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to mend a relationship, it was likely to be with a black man.
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The woman would have likely visited the maternity ward to plan the kidnapping as she was approaching
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her alleged due date.
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Investigators believe that she is likely already a mother, an ideal mom who you would feel
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confident in leaving your own kids with.
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Police are very hopeful that Tavish is still alive.
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When an infant is kidnapped, it is usually for the purpose of raising the child as one's
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own.
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But police still stress that Tavish should be returned to the hospital for proper medical
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care and checkups.
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Police know that they are entering a crucial period where the woman would likely be able
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to go to the clerk of county court to get a home birth certificate for Tavish, especially
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considering how little he was at the time of his kidnapping.
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Police still do not have any suspects in the case, just the profile based off of the history
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of infant kidnappings.
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However, releasing the profile seems to have prompted a response in the community.
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Two days later, on Friday, March 19th, police released two composite sketches of women they
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would like to talk to in regards to Tavish's kidnapping.
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They stress that the women are not suspects, but they would just like to talk to them to
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see if they saw anything.
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Both of the women were seen at the hospital on the day that Tavish was kidnapped.
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One of the women was seen on the floor of the hospital where Tavish's room was located.
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And the second woman was around 25 years of age.
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She wore black pants, a long black coat, and large earrings and had her hair pulled back
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with a large bow.
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She was seen carrying a baby from the hospital the day that Tavish was kidnapped.
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Despite having these two composite sketches, a month later on April 15th, so it's been
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about six weeks since Tavish was kidnapped, and police are out of leads.
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They don't have any suspects.
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They don't have any people of interest.
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The special agent in charge for the FBI, Carol Touhey, says, quote, we've done everything
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you can think of and we're looking for assistance from the public to help us find the child,
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end quote.
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And truly the case appears to go cold after this.
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Tavish's birth mother will sue the hospital for negligence in Tavish's kidnapping in
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1995, two years after it happened.
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She'll ultimately settle out of court for around $600,000.
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In 1996, so three years after the kidnapping, a composite sketch is made and sent out across
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the nation on mailers of what Tavish might look like at around three years old.
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The composite is created by using photos of his siblings to try to generate what he could
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look like.
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In 1998, Tavish's case is ran again in local media.
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However, there are no updates.
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All of Tavish's biological family have been rolled out as suspects.
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The detectives working the case at this time say, quote, we never really had any good information,
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end quote.
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Police believe that it is likely that Tavish is still alive, living with another family
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under a different name.
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Because of the surgery that he was admitted into the hospital initially for, he would
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likely have a scar on his left buttock from the surgery.
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However, this is all we know about the kidnapping of Tavish Sutton.
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He would be 31, almost 32 years old as of recording in 2025.
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So if you know anything about the disappearance of Tavish Sutton or his whereabouts today,
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please call the Atlanta Police Department at 404-546-4235.
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So that is the missing person case of Tavish Sutton.
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I was scribbling down just a bunch of information about Tavish and the circumstances and details
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and info surrounding his case at the top of you talking about his case.
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And it's a case involving an infant, I felt frantic listening to this case even though
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it's over 30 years ago.
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What a harrowing journey he had at the start of his life.
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There are so many things to say about how his journey began, but what a resilient little
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soul to exist.
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I have so many questions for you, but I just, you know, I always appreciate how much you
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go into detail about who the person was and I still felt like I got to learn a lot about
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him even though there was little information.
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I'm very glad to know his name.
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Yeah, I get what you mean about the immediacy of an infant going missing.
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I felt that in this case too about learning on it and researching it.
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I did feel franticness of like needing to find him even though like you said it happened
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over 30 years ago.
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There is something about a missing infant that just feels like it makes something in
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me go like berserk, you know, I just short wire in some way.
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Yeah, I felt almost like an internal egg timer.
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Just the tick tick tick tick of I don't know, I could feel time moving too fast in a case
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like this.
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And that is, I mean, that's the case for every case, right?
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That time moves too fast and there's never enough information found within that lost
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time.
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And that's certainly the case here.
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No one knew to be on the lookout for something like this happening.
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Like of course, you know, a case can be filed against the hospital for negligence.
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But like the spokesperson said in a very diplomatic way, of course this is possible.
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An infant is very small.
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And if you're someone who looks like you're caring for an infant as you're moving through
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a hospital, I can imagine that not a lot of people would be questioning you as to why
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you are doing that.
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I agree with how easy it would be to slip out with an infant.
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But I do just want to say this that this is something that made me raise an eyebrow in
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this situation.
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This specific hospital in Atlanta has had seven instances of infants going, being kidnapped
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from their facilities.
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Five of them were returned safely.
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However, two of them still remain missing and Tabish is one of them.
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Yes, it could be easy to move something small in and out of that space.
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But still, that institution should be dedicated to protecting what's inside at all costs.
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Yes, it does just make me raise an eyebrow that you have seven infants go missing from
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your facility, which is pretty high.
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This kind of crime doesn't happen very often.
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So it makes me wonder in the realm of possibilities in this instance, you know, like, what's
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going on here?
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Is there somebody on the inside that's possibly helping?
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Of course, that's speculation.
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The police and FBI gave a profile.
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But it just makes you wonder when you see something like that happen seven times, like,
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why is it why is it so easy to do it from here?
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I think, you know, kind of what we're talking about really, like begs the question, is there
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cameras or any kind of security, any sort of monitoring?
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I don't know.
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I know it's 1993.
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But I can't imagine that there is a ton.
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But because it is a hospital, maybe there's a chance that there is more security.
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To be honest, I'm not sure what is or isn't there in 1993.
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But based off of the police and like what they were saying about how little they had
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to go on and how they were really leaning on witnesses, I would think that if there
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were security footage, that it is very minimal and not useful, that it was easy to circumvent
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in 1993.
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Well then that brings me to my next question, which is, who are those women and how are
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they related?
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How it seems like they, the suspect, or not even suspect, but the persons of interest
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were drawn up out of thin air.
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And I'm, I know that that's not the case, but I'm curious as to why those two women
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and were they related to anyone close to him in any way?
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Yeah, so to me it appeared that these women came from witnesses at the hospital that came
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forward after the FBI released a profile.
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It did seem like in the beginning, everyone thought that Tavish would be returned very
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quickly.
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Again, statistically, that's typically what you see in infant kidnapping cases.
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They are returned or found very quickly.
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However, once it got to the week and the FBI came in and gave a profile, it seemed that
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prompted witnesses to come forward who then were able to sit down with police and release
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the composite.
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I don't know if police think that these women are related to each other as in if they were
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working together or came in together, but it's just two women who were seen at the hospital
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the day that Tavish disappeared and police just wanted to talk to them to see if they
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saw anything and kind of see what they know.
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But from my understanding, police never were able to track them down.
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Right.
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And that, you know, that all makes sense to me.
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The fact that he's only a month old and his biological mother is going through mental
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health treatment and it's hard to, I would imagine it's hard to draw any correlation
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from a person to him when he's a baby.
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He doesn't know anybody and very few people know him.
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The most likely of suspects, so, you know, the family were all ruled out.
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His mom was in treatment.
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You know, that was all verified.
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And then the other family that was sharing the room with him, you know, I believe they
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were investigated pretty thoroughly as well as his foster family and they were all released.
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So after that, yeah, like who could it possibly be in Tavish's little world?
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Yeah.
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And with his world being so small, the amount of strangers outside of that is, it's an insurmountable
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amount.
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The, you know, ocean of suspects, like that's what it becomes.
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Just a massive possibility of a lot of different people.
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Which sparked another question for me.
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And this is more, I think, just for you and I to talk about, at least for right now, which
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is why not look at men?
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I understand, especially because it's early 90s, the most likely suspect would have been
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a woman.
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But I don't know, to me, especially right now, my mind immediately said that is a very
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unsuspecting suspect for it to be someone to get away with this type of crime who can
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cloak very easily throughout it.
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Yeah, the profile seemed to mainly come from statistically what these crimes had looked
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like to police and the FBI since they started like kind of recording and keeping track of
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infant kidnappings from hospitals.
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So historically, they had been women looking to raise the baby as their own for whatever
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circumstances outside were feeling that.
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So that does seem to be where the profile comes from for the FBI.
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It doesn't seem to be based in any theory, or it is a theory, but it doesn't seem to
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be based in any evidence of Tavish's kidnapping, except that would be like the most likely
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thing or the most statistical thing to occur.
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But I agree that until you can rule something out completely, it's like you can't rule
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anything out.
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So why couldn't it be a man?
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Why couldn't it be a hospital worker?
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What evidence do we have to rule them out?
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That's like all stuff that I would want to know.
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There's lots of room for speculation in this case, like there always is in the cases that
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we cover, but I can even feel myself as we're talking about it, the questions starting to
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pile up in my head because I have so many and I can feel the dead ends that they reach
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even in my head before they come out of my mouth.
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I still feel the very frantic energy around this case.
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And again, just to echo what I said earlier, I'm very grateful to know of this case and
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to just know of this area that it's happened more than once at this hospital, an infant
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kidnapping.
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This case is so perplexing to me.
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There's so much what ifs.
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There's so many what ifs that it's hard to nail them down.
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So if I got to sit down with police, I would just kind of want to know what exactly do
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you know?
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What is a fact in this case?
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What is evidence in this case?
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But really, it seems like what we know is that in the span of 15 minutes from 645 to
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7 a.m., Tavish was taken from his hospital room and presumably from the hospital completely
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very quickly.
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That really does seem to be all we know.
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There are, you know, they made a composite sketch from when he was three and there's
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also two other ones that were created during his teenage years.
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So we do have those available and those are based off of siblings when they were at the
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similar age.
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So it could be pretty accurate to what Tavish could look like today.
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For this case, I do have a lot of hope that Tavish is still alive and out in the world
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today.
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I do think that that's a real possibility here.
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It is my deepest hope that if Tavish is still alive, that he was raised in a very loving
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home and is a thriving, successful community member and doing something that he loves.
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That is truly what I hope for him.
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And if he ever questions who he is or what his roots are, I hope that he's able to connect
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with his siblings and get the answers that he would need and his siblings get answers
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that, you know, their brother is okay.
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That's I think the best outcome that could happen here.
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Yeah, I hope that too.
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I hope and I think, you know, more than anything is that he is living a happy, healthy, full
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life.
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Of course, you know, I wish for answers for his family or for whoever wants them.
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But ultimately, I hope, especially after knowing what the first month of his life was like,
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that that he just got to exist in happiness and continues to.
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But again, if you know anything about the kidnapping of Tavish Sutton in 1993, or his
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whereabouts today, please call the Atlanta Police Department at 404-546-4235.
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We will have the composite photos of Tavish up on our Instagram.
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So if you're not following us, I suggest you follow us there at Cold and Missing.
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You'll be able to keep up with not only our podcast, but other cases that are happening
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nationally as well.
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Like I mentioned at the top of the show, if you haven't, if you could write and review
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us, it really helps others find our podcast and take a chance on it if they haven't listened
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to us before.
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So your positive reviews really impacts the people who find us and ultimately who get
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to hear about cases that they haven't heard about before.
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That's something again and again, I read in the reviews that so much of our audience like
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these cases that are lesser known that you haven't heard before.
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So the more you are able to rate and review and share this podcast, the more those cases
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get out there and generate buzz and information and hopefully leads and we get cases solved
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and closed and people found.
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We also have our official transcripts on our website www.coldandmissing.com.
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I know a lot of podcast players have an automatic transcript now, but if you're looking for
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the official one, it is on our website.
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That one has correct spelling of names and things like that.
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I can't control the automatic ones that are generated on all podcast players, but the
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official ones are at www.coldandmissing.com.
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But that's all I have for you.
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Thank you so much for listening to Cold and Missing.
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I'm your host, Allie.
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And I'm your co-host, Eli.
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Have a good week and stay safe, y'all.
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Stay safe, y'all.
