Cold and Missing: Tito J. Garcia Quintanilla - Part 3

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The views and opinions expressed in Cold and Missing are exclusively those of the hosts.

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All parties mentioned are considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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Cold and Missing also contains adult themes and languages and is intended for a mature

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audience.

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Listener discretion is advised.

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Welcome back everyone.

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Welcome back.

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Happy to have you here.

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Last week we did something a little bit different in case you missed it.

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If you did miss it, now would be a good time to go back and listen to episode 16 and 17.

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It's not necessarily required listening.

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You'll be able to follow along today.

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We highly encourage you to go back and listen to it.

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In those two episodes, I had the chance to sit down and have an interview with Faith,

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who is the wife of Tito J. Garcia-Key Tania, who is the case that we're covering today

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again.

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Faith is an incredible woman, an amazing storyteller.

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She's so captivating and charming.

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It was so easy to talk to her.

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I said it last week and I'll say it again, she's a badass, a complete badass.

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Really recommend listening to those episodes and just getting to know Faith and Tito a

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little bit more.

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Yeah.

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So without further ado.

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What do you got for me?

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Today we're talking about Tito J. Garcia-Key Tania.

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He's 45 years old, but his birthday is actually this week on December 14th, so he'll turn

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46 this week.

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Happy birthday, man.

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His last known contact was August 19th, 2022.

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It is believed that he was in Webb County, Texas, which is right on the border of Mexico.

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So just a little bit of background about Tito.

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Tito is an incredible family man.

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That is overwhelmingly what I learned through my interview with Faith is that he loves his

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family, loves his wife, loves his son.

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The family, we'll get into this in the story, but they lived in Honduras for a number of

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years.

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And while they were there, Tito built a zip line for their son out of a little car booster

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seat in their yard, just so this five-year-old can zip along the trees.

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Hell yeah, that's awesome.

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And made an indoor pool for him to swim in.

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Wow, incredible.

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Can you imagine being five?

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Yes.

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That's big me energy.

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I cannot wait to do those things as a parent.

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Yeah, one of the things that Faith said was him and their son, Brenly, they were always

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up to something.

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They were always doing something up to something, walking around.

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They had this big property in Honduras at the base of a mountain and just walking around

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their property, getting into this, getting into that.

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Projects.

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Little projects.

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Little projects.

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Yeah, I got tons of them.

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Little things to do, yeah.

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Faith calls Tito her MacGyver because he can fix anything.

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She said, you give him a roll of toilet paper, he'll make a rocket ship out of it.

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Just really crafty, really handy, really smart.

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Crafty guy.

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Yeah, like an inventor of things.

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That's kind of like the image I got.

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An incredibly hard worker.

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He's very romantic.

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I'll tell the story about how him and Faith met because it's so cute.

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It's so cute, but definitely romantic, definitely deeply in love with his wife.

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He is 5'5", about 150 pounds, but he has a 32-inch waist.

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He has black hair, brown eyes, and he does wear glasses, but it is possible that he has

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lost them over the course of the events of everything.

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He could have glasses.

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He could not have glasses.

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We'll post pictures of him with and without them.

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Well, I've seen pictures of him now, but I thought he was... People always say this

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about me too.

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Oh, I thought you were so much taller, but we're the same height and weight.

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Crazy.

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Yeah.

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He does look really tall in his pictures.

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This is how Tito and Faith met.

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Oh, yes.

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September 2005, Hurricane Rita hits the town where Faith is living in Louisiana.

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Because of the way the hurricane was coming through, she didn't have a lot of time to

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know that she was evacuating, and she had a horse that she had to hook up and get ready

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to go, so she wasn't able to take those precious memories with her.

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When she came back, the water had completely flooded her home.

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Her home was completely submerged in water, so everything was covered in mud.

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When she returned home, she was able to find some material things, like fabric material,

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like baby blankets.

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She said her grandmother's quilts, things like that, that she thought, maybe I can wash

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them to get the mud, the dirt, and just all the hurricane out of it.

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She goes to the town where Tito's living to go to the laundromat, and he's there with

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his friends hanging out, chilling.

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He's leaning against a washing machine, and is making eyes at Faith, and raising his eyebrows.

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Yeah, he's trying to figure, he's like, what's up?

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Yeah, he's like, what's up?

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She was like, later, I don't have time.

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My home was just in a hurricane.

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I'm trying to save precious memories.

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You're cute and all, but bye.

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Anyway, she keeps returning to this laundromat, because she's living in a FEMA trailer while

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she's recovering from the hurricane.

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She just has to go there to do her laundry weekly.

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Tito's there with his friends, hanging out.

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Eventually, she's there with her mom one day.

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Her mom's like, oh, he's so cute.

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Look at him looking at you.

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She's like, tell her mom.

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I don't have time.

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Eventually, he came up to her with a magazine, with all these women, and really fancy dresses,

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and she laughed, because she was like, I don't own a dress.

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I don't wear dresses.

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I rodeo.

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He was pointing to the women in these gowns, and pointing to her, and being like, you're

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beautiful.

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You are like these women in these magazines.

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At the time that they met, do they speak the same language?

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No.

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She doesn't speak any Spanish.

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This is extra cute.

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Extra cute, right?

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He's like, hey.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Wow.

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Yeah, she doesn't speak any Spanish.

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He doesn't speak hardly any English, but one of his friends does speak English, and is

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able to translate.

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Oh, the wingman coming through.

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The wingman.

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He's like, what's up?

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I got you.

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Yeah, he's like, I got you.

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It just kind of starts from there.

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They sit in the laundromat, and even though they didn't speak the same language, or a

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lot of the same language.

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But they did.

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They did.

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But they did.

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Exactly.

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And it's like, I've heard this from couples where they don't speak the same language,

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but they're able to understand each other and communicate.

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The heart has its own language.

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So it just progressed from there.

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They were talking to each other in the laundromat.

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They started walking out of the laundromat, going to places to eat nearby.

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Eventually, he invited her to where he lived to eat, and it just went from there.

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So they're married, and they are building a really beautiful life together in Louisiana.

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They build a new house together.

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They get all this new furniture.

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They have their son at this time.

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Brenly.

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Brenly, yeah, when they're living in Louisiana.

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And then when Brenly's still a baby, really young, before he's maybe a year old or right

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around then, Tito gets pulled over while he's driving.

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And Tito, at this time, does not have a driver's license because he's not a citizen.

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So you can't get a driver's license if you're not a US citizen.

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Tito gets pulled over.

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And the police say at the time he's pulled over because he forgot to use his blinker

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when changing lanes or making a turn or something.

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But it's like a blinking violation, specifically.

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My reaction, exactly.

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I was like, OK.

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Which normally is a warning, like, hey, is your blinker working?

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Like you didn't use it.

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But then this turns into a big old mess for this family.

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Yeah, of course it does.

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So he calls Faith because he's getting pulled over.

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And she shows up.

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And she says, I can't argue with the police, which you can't.

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Her husband is kind of at their mercy at this point.

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So the police ask, does he have a driver's license?

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No.

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Does he have an ID?

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Does he have a passport?

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Yes.

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Is an American passport?

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So he ends up getting arrested and ultimately goes to the detention center from this very

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small interaction with the police.

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What year is it at the time?

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I actually can't recall off the top of my head.

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But I believe Obama was in office.

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So it's like during the Obama administration, just as a reference for where we are immigration

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law-wise.

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I believe in the interview we say what year it is.

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So Tito is in the detention center.

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And ultimately, he ends up getting deported back to his home country of Honduras.

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And during this time, Faith meets with an immigration lawyer and says, what are our

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options here?

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How do we get him here with no more issues, no more trouble, no more looking over our

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shoulders?

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How do we get him here legally?

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They say that his punishment, Tito's punishment, for being in the country longer than he was

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allowed to be, so like being in the country illegally, was that he was banned from entering

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the US for 10 years.

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And this is a pretty common ban, actually.

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It comes down to three-year bans and 10-year bans, typically, for this kind of thing.

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And it really is as simple as overstaying your visa in the United States.

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So however long your visa is, if you stay one day over, that starts a three-year ban

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kind of automatically.

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And then if you're 180 days or maybe 181 days, that's when the 10-year ban kicks in.

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That was going to be Tito's punishment, essentially, is that if he wants to apply for citizenship,

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apply for his green card, he would have to go to Honduras for 10 years.

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And then they could start the process to legally apply for his green card.

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But he would have to be out of the United States to do that.

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So Tito and Faith make the decision, like, okay, you're going to Honduras.

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I'm coming too.

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Brenley's coming too.

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And 10 years is nothing.

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We just had our son.

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He's around one years old at this point.

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We'll get a chance to live in Honduras.

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Faith will get to see where Tito comes from.

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Their son will get to experience the culture of living in Honduras and get to have that

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experience.

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You know, Brenley can come back and he will be able to continue in school and eventually

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go on to college without missing a beat.

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So that's their plan.

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And that's what they do.

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They go to Honduras.

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They build a life there.

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Like I mentioned earlier, they have this house on family land at the base of a mountain.

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And Faith works teaching English, which makes really good money there.

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So Tito is able to stay home and not only care for Brenley, but care for his mother and

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care for the family and be able to do projects at the houses and fix the houses and just

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make their lives more comfortable overall.

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And again, I really recommend going back, if you haven't already, to listen to the

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interview with Faith as she describes her culture shock of going from living in America

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to living in Honduras and what that was like for her because it's really an incredible

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experience and not when you hear about that often.

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So again, Faith is really cool and a really great storyteller.

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Ten years is going by.

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COVID hits.

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And COVID was terrible everywhere.

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But again, like it mentioned in the interview, it was really bad in Honduras.

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It was really, really bad.

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People were dying outside of hospitals.

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There was a lockdown that was so severe that you could only leave one day a week depending

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on the number at the end of your ID.

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And Tito and Faith, their numbers weren't the same.

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So they couldn't go out together at all.

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It was one at a time.

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But ultimately, as borders start opening up again, Faith and Brenley decide to come back.

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They've been in Honduras for over 10 years.

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They lived there for about 13 years ultimately.

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So they say, okay, it's time.

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We have done the 10 years.

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COVID is lifting.

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The borders are opening up.

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Let's get back to the USA and start the process to get you here.

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So that's what they do.

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Faith and Brenley come back and they meet with a lawyer who ultimately has bad news that

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because Trump was in office, Tito was now permanently banned from entering the US because

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he had been deported too many times before.

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So now he was permanently banned from my understanding.

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And immigration law is so complicated.

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Even when you try to do things by the books, quote unquote, like Faith and Tito did here,

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they tried to do the process the legal way, which is always an argument I hear.

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But it's like, it doesn't work.

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The system is completely broken.

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But I think that's the design is that it's just like, it's completely bungled all around

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for everyone.

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Yeah.

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It's impossible.

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So they learn this news and it's devastating.

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Faith wants to go back to Honduras so they can all be a family again.

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Her goal is to be a family and to her, the safest way is to go back to Honduras.

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And Tito's goal is also to be a family in this.

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But he gets dead set on coming to the US because he really wants his son to have good education

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and a chance at making more than...

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Five dollars a day.

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Five dollars for 12 hours of work.

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Yeah.

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Have a chance at a better life, which both are right.

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Nobody's wrong in this, but they both are kind of dead set.

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And in the interview, Faith said to me, if I had gone to Honduras, he would have said,

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okay, well, I'll meet you back in the US then because that's where I'm headed.

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There was no stopping him.

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He was very dead set on it.

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And this was really the first time they disagreed so severely in their marriage.

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That leads us into the summer of this year, June of 2022.

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Do you want to say something about that quickly?

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And this was because I had the chance to listen to the interview and I was thinking to myself,

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putting myself in Tito's shoes.

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And this is only from my own experience and how I navigate the world.

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But when you are told no over and over and over again, and your pick and choose button

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gets turned up to high, and that's how you exist.

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It's like when you turn a button up on any sort of machine and it's stuck and it's turned

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up really high and you know it's not supposed to be on this setting for this long.

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So when you live on that setting and you're doing everything right, when you're a good

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person and you're doing everything that you're supposed to be doing and you're following

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the rules and people are still telling you no, and you're turned all the way up to that

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point, something in you breaks.

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I don't mean in a negative way, but I feel pushed up against that no all the time as

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a trans person and have reached a point in my life at now 34 where I refuse to be told

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no that immediately resonated with me.

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So all of that brings us to the summer, June of 2022.

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He left Honduras and began traveling to the border of Mexico and the United States.

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And he called Faith and was just like, I'm in Guatemala.

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And she was like, what are you doing in Guatemala?

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And he was like, I said I was coming.

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So he begins the trip of traveling through all these countries to get to the border,

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which takes him to the end of June to get there.

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So it takes him about a month to do all the traveling.

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And Tito calls Faith and says that he's at the border and she needs to wire him money

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so that way he can pay a coyote and get some things that he needs and cross the border.

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And Faith said it so beautifully of like, she was in it now.

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She was part of this.

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She had no option.

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What was she going to do?

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Leave him there?

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Faith does everything that she's asked and Tito is waiting for his turn to cross.

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And so he doesn't know exactly when he's going.

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Faith doesn't know exactly when he's going.

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But eventually he'll go and he makes it across the river and into America.

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But on this attempt, he is ultimately chased by border patrol.

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So the group scatters.

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And Tito, in this process, he loses his backpack that had all of his food, all of his water,

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like his necessities.

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And he's out in the desert.

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And this is end of July.

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This is such a hot place to be.

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Yeah.

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It's like very quickly a dangerous situation, the fact that he doesn't have water and the

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fact that he doesn't know where he is really in the desert.

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So Faith is able to get his coordinates from his phone and she actually calls border patrol

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and says, my husband is at these coordinates.

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He needs help.

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So they go out there and get them.

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They have the vehicles to go into the desert and they have all the stuff.

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Well, yeah.

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On foot, it's treacherous.

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But in a car, it's maybe a couple of miles down the desert.

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So border patrol does find him and pick him up.

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And a few hours later, he calls Faith and he's in Mexico.

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He's been deported back to Mexico within a few hours.

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And this is from Title 42, which is another Trump enacted law.

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So basically because of COVID, anybody coming to the border could immediately be deported

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without being arrested and processed and all of that.

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Could just be immediately deported to Mexico.

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And Mexico had agreed to accept not only people from Mexico, but also Nicaragua, Honduras,

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El Salvador, and more recently Venezuela.

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And it's come into the news a lot more recently, this Title 42, because people are getting

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deported to a country they're not from, which is what happened to Tito in this instance.

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What the fuck, man?

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Like I just...

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It's so fucked up.

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It's so broken.

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It's so fucked up and broken.

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And I asked Faith and Tito didn't know anybody in Mexico.

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This shit is right.

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These are human.

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Human beings.

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We do this to human beings.

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Even if you're someone who has that job, how do you...

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But Faith is ultimately relieved when Tito calls because she's like, it's done.

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He's going to go home.

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I'm going to go back to Honduras.

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I'm going to go back home.

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We're going to be a family again.

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It's done.

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But Tito is dead set.

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He said, I've made it this far.

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I've done this much.

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I'm coming.

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So get ready because I'm coming.

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I'm going to go again.

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I'm doing this again.

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So he tries to cross again.

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And this is where we ultimately lose contact with Tito is on the second crossing.

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And this happens end of July, beginning of August, 2022.

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It is not recommended that you cross during this time.

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I've been doing a lot of research on crossing the border.

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And July is a slower month actually because it is so hot.

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And again, Tito has been on this journey since June.

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So he's not eating regularly.

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I'm sure he's very dehydrated, not sleeping well.

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He's really exhausted physically, I imagine at this point.

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So August, he begins to cross again.

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And it's not clear, but it seems like it's through the same route as he did last time

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with the ultimate plan of ending up in San Antonio, Texas, where Faith was going to pick

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him up from there.

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That was the ultimate goal was to get to San Antonio.

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So at one point, Tito calls Faith and says that he's so tired and that he can't do

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it anymore.

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Like he can't walk.

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He can't move.

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Like he's reaching the end of his ropes.

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He says they're about four hours away from where someone can pick them up.

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So that's where like a car can get to them.

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They're four hours away from that point.

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But if she's willing to pay $10,000, they'll send a car to him and he can rest there.

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They'll send the car the next day.

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And Faith...

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She says, okay, I'll borrow it from my mom.

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Yeah.

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Do it.

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Tell them to bring the car.

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So the next day, he calls.

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I believe this is August 19th.

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He calls and she's expecting him to say, I'm in San Antonio.

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But nobody sent the car.

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Nobody came for him.

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So he's there alone and he has been waiting, no pickup.

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The battery on his phone is dying.

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So he says what he's going to try to do is use Google Maps to try to get somewhere to

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where Faith can pick him up.

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And she needs to get in the car and start driving because she's far.

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She's in Tennessee.

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So she's like a good long while away.

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So she's got hours on the road to go.

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So she gets in the car and heads out and he begins walking.

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So about eight hours after Faith has been on the road, approximately in there, she gets

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a video call from Tito.

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And she says he's almost unrecognizable from dehydration and sunburn and the bags under

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his eyes.

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He is very sick and exhausted.

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And he says that he's resting under a bridge and that's where Faith needs to come get him.

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And she's like, does he know how many roads there are in Texas?

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And I get anything, any kind of road name, a mile marker, anything to know where you're

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at.

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And he hangs up and says he's going to try to walk to find something and he'll call

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back because again, his battery's low.

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So he doesn't have a lot of...

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He can't stay on the phone with her.

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He has tried to send his location via Google Maps and WhatsApp.

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He's tried doing that and it would not come through.

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Every time Faith received it, it was just like a pin in a blanket.

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A blank spot.

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So she really doesn't have anything to go off of.

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But he calls back and he has tried to walk and he says he can't do it.

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He can't move.

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He can't walk.

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And he says he's so sorry.

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He can see the road, but he can't see where the cars would come in and out of.

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He just sees a clip of a road.

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That's how I took that.

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He tells her he can't see anything, but then he says he can see a gate that has gargoyles

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on it.

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And he says this in Spanish to her, gargoyles.

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And that's how Faith knew that he was very sure of it.

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This wasn't a hallucination because if he had said it in English, she would have assumed

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he was hallucinating from dehydration.

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But because he said it in Spanish, she knew that's really what he's seeing is a gargoyle.

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So Tito ultimately says his battery is low and he says, I love you.

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And then a couple seconds later, he says, I'm scared and the phone shuts off.

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And according to his NamUs case, this was at 8, 11 PM, this last communication with

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him on August 19th.

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So Faith is still on the road.

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And when the phone cuts off, she assumes that he has turned it off because his battery is

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low, but the phone never turns back on again and hasn't that we know of.

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But Faith keeps the phone bill paid.

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So that way, if anybody finds it, if they can get it on, she'll know.

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So she gets into the area, Tito's last known whereabouts were Webb County, Texas.

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So she's driving off the road, going under every bridge, driving every road she can,

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trying to find this gate with a gargoyle on it and ultimately can't find it.

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And she's panicked.

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She's been on the road for a very long time and she has her son with her and she doesn't

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know what to do.

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So she turns around and she goes home.

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And it's not like, I think what immediately people think is like, why didn't you ask anyone

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else for help?

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But she cannot.

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Because he will be deported again.

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Or worse.

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I just like, I think that that's worth saying.

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Is that like, literally, this woman has done everything that she can do.

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There's no resources for her.

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There's none.

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Yeah.

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She turns around and goes home and listening to Faith in this interview, like every time

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I listen to it, I cry.

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Like her talking about this part of how this was like the hardest thing she's had to do.

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Wondering if Tito could see their car and like know that she was right there and like

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could see her driving away.

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I'm going to start crying if I think about it too much.

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Yeah.

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It's something that, that's a thought that should never have to pass through anyone's

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mind.

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Never.

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And the fact that it does.

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That she has to feel that every moment of every day is violently unfair.

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Yeah.

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And the days after August 19th, there's no contact from Tito and Faith is in hysterics

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over like what to do.

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Like very scared about everything.

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And you know, she had received calls from Tito with other, from other numbers besides

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his.

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So you know, she called those, called every number she could think of.

491
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The coyotes, this, that, the other, you know, the where she wired them.

492
00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:01,360
Yeah.

493
00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:02,360
Exactly.

494
00:27:02,360 --> 00:27:07,000
So a few days later, she heads back to Webb County to officially file a missing persons

495
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,440
report and when she mentioned the gate, they say, Oh, well it's not gargoyles, but it's

496
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,440
a bat.

497
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,880
We know a gate like that.

498
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:22,040
This is actually a state park and it's called, I'm going to butcher this, but it's Chacon

499
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,440
Park or bat park in Webb County.

500
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:31,720
But the gate to it, and we'll include pictures of this on our Instagram, but from far away,

501
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:36,760
it would look like a gargoyle because it's a big bat over the entrance of this gate and

502
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,080
with its wings spread.

503
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,520
So like, yeah, if you didn't know what you were looking at was specifically a bat, like

504
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,520
you would think.

505
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,520
So he was like gargoyles?

506
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,520
Yeah.

507
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:49,480
Well, and also like gates, like I would think a gargoyle is going to be on a gate before

508
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:57,400
a bat, but they drive out to the bridge that's out there or bridges out there and search,

509
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:04,120
but there's no sign of Tito and there hasn't been any sign of Tito since that phone call

510
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,720
on August 19th.

511
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,600
There is a possibility that he was seen in Wisconsin.

512
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,000
Somebody was 90% sure that they saw him, which again, if you think you see somebody who is

513
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:20,880
missing like in this day and age when we all have a cell phone in our pocket, try to get

514
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:26,680
a picture, try to get a video, like be sneaky if you must, but it's so helpful to the family

515
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,560
to be able to see a picture and kind of ultimately rule out like, yes, this is a good lead or

516
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,120
no, that's not them.

517
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:39,720
The woman who saw him in Wisconsin was about 90% sure that it was him and he was wearing

518
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,760
a construction shirt.

519
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:50,000
So Faith right now thinks that Tito could possibly be the victim of human trafficking

520
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:57,440
in forced labor via construction, which when I did my research on this, LexisNexis, which

521
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:04,120
is like a business research firm, they figured that out of all the jobs in construction,

522
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,840
all the workers, around 7% of them are actually victims of human trafficking.

523
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,200
So construction is actually like a very big industry for human trafficking.

524
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,780
Holy shit.

525
00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:22,840
So that is a possible clue for Tito that he could be possibly the victim of human trafficking

526
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,820
and work in construction right now.

527
00:29:26,820 --> 00:29:33,560
If you think you see Tito, again, please try to get a picture of him, but call 911 is what

528
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960
Faith is requesting people do.

529
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:45,920
And his case is out of Webb County and his case number is 2022001524.

530
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:53,720
And you can call the Webb County Sheriff at 956-523-4500.

531
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,700
And again, just report him.

532
00:29:55,700 --> 00:30:00,400
This is a missing person and any information you can, what he's wearing, where you're at,

533
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,220
what he's doing, all of that is really helpful.

534
00:30:03,220 --> 00:30:08,660
And again, you can reach out to Faith on her social media that she has to raise awareness

535
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:09,660
for Tito.

536
00:30:09,660 --> 00:30:11,060
We're going to include those in our show link.

537
00:30:11,060 --> 00:30:15,720
So you can also reach out to her and send tips there as well.

538
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,520
But that is the case of Tito and he is still missing.

539
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:27,080
Again, just if you haven't had the opportunity to listen to my interview with Faith, I really,

540
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:32,160
really encourage you to go back and listen to it because Faith was very vulnerable with

541
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,760
me and very honest with me.

542
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,460
And I think that kind of courage should be rewarded.

543
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:40,120
And I think the best reward would be Tito coming home.

544
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,400
So I reached out to Faith to ask if there was anything that she wanted included this

545
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,240
week that maybe she didn't get to mention last week.

546
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,520
And she just said that they still have not heard from him and his birthday is coming

547
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,080
up this week.

548
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:01,760
And Christmas is really hard and that her and her son have agreed on a compromise because

549
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,700
she couldn't face doing a big tree and all that.

550
00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:13,200
So they have a small ceramic tree that was her grandmother's up as the Christmas decorations.

551
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,000
But we want Tito home for sure.

552
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:24,340
So again, please contact the Webb County Sheriff at 956-523-4500 or contact Faith directly

553
00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:28,560
with your tip via social media, which are in our show notes.

554
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:29,560
And that's it.

555
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,560
That's all I have.

556
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Since this was kind of a unique opportunity, I jotted down a unique opportunity, meaning

557
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:44,640
that I get to talk a little bit more about this case instead of just having my reactions.

558
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:50,560
So my first response to listening to Faith speak and hearing about Tito was that I put

559
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,400
myself in their position.

560
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,560
And I think that that's a really natural response.

561
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:05,200
And I immediately started editing and filling in what I would have done and almost just

562
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,280
a few seconds after had the realization of you don't know what you would do.

563
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,360
You don't know.

564
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:20,040
And I think that we're trained to be critical, but Faith is experiencing a level of fear

565
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,080
that most people will never experience in their lifetime.

566
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,000
You know, she doesn't know where Tito is.

567
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,920
I kept trying to imagine something that I can't because I've never experienced it.

568
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,360
And hopefully never will.

569
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,560
So this is a situation that cannot be criticized.

570
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,200
And there's a level of bravery that I wanted to commend Faith for because it's really vulnerable

571
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,560
to step out and tell your story, not only because of what you're going through, but

572
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:59,440
because it slides that hyper critical lens over your life for people to look through.

573
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,280
So it's really brave for her to step out and trust in that community support.

574
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,120
You know, yeah, badass.

575
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,280
I echo that 100%.

576
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:17,560
I also wanted to say that they seem to love each other in a way that it's written about.

577
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,560
Totally.

578
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,720
You know?

579
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,920
And I feel that way with you.

580
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:28,200
So I just like Tito and I are very lucky guys to be loved by people like you and Faith.

581
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,920
And that's it for me.

582
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,920
Thanks for letting me share.

583
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,440
I care a lot about this family and I think a lot of other people will too now.

584
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,120
And I'd really love to see him come home.

585
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,120
Me too.

586
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Yeah, absolutely.

587
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Thank you for sharing.

588
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,400
That was all really beautiful.

589
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:48,760
But yeah, next week we're going to have a little bit of another kind of different episode.

590
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,200
We're going to be doing a big update episode.

591
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,160
So we promise we're not straying from the regular form.

592
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:01,000
Yeah, it's just it's the end of the year and a couple of things have, as listeners know,

593
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,920
have changed in cases that we've covered.

594
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:04,920
Definitely.

595
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,760
So we wanted to bring you a big update episode.

596
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,360
So we want to cover everything that has happened in Delphi.

597
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:17,800
There has been some movement on the charges against Richard Allen, who is accused of murdering

598
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,100
Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana.

599
00:34:21,100 --> 00:34:25,560
So we have the documents of the arrest warrant.

600
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,960
So we're going to go over that and just like some details that have come out.

601
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,960
Yeah.

602
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:36,480
And then in the past few days, Betty Roth, who we covered two weeks ago as a cold case,

603
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,800
somebody has been arrested in her murder.

604
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,800
We announced it on our Instagram or we announced it.

605
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,180
We posted about it on our Instagram.

606
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:49,240
So we want to bring you the information on Betty and the arrest that's been made there,

607
00:34:49,240 --> 00:34:50,800
which is so cool.

608
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:51,800
Yeah.

609
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:52,800
Yeah.

610
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,520
So that'll be coming at you next week.

611
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,720
But if you want updates on the case, make sure you're subscribed so you'll get the

612
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:00,000
first news.

613
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,800
You'll get it right in your phone when you wake up on Monday morning.

614
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Extra, extra.

615
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:05,800
Exactly.

616
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,800
Yeah.

617
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360
And while you're subscribing to us in your podcast app, go ahead and rate and review

618
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:11,360
us.

619
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,320
We appreciate it all so much.

620
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,320
Please follow us on Instagram.

621
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,800
We're going to be posting photos of Tito, photos from the cases, all the cases that

622
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,800
we've mentioned.

623
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,720
They're all up there, but we post a lot of pictures that can be shared to just get more

624
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:29,880
eyes looking for not only Tito, but everybody that we've covered that's missing in this

625
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,760
case or missing on our podcast.

626
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,400
And then also, the end of the year, maybe you're feeling generous.

627
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,840
It's the time of giving.

628
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,960
Maybe you want to tip your favorite podcast or one of your new favorite podcasts, which

629
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,080
maybe is us, who have been missing.

630
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Hopefully.

631
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,680
In our link in the bio on Instagram, you can buy us a coffee, which is really simple, easy

632
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,200
process.

633
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,760
It's basically a tip of $5 or more if you're feeling so generous.

634
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,180
And it just helps us keep putting money into this podcast and keep doing these stories

635
00:36:04,180 --> 00:36:09,820
that matter so much to me and so much to y'all, which it's crazy looking back on this past

636
00:36:09,820 --> 00:36:10,820
year.

637
00:36:10,820 --> 00:36:11,820
Can't wait to talk about it more.

638
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:12,820
But, um...

639
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:13,820
So proud of you, baby.

640
00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:14,820
Thanks, babe.

641
00:36:14,820 --> 00:36:15,820
That's all I have.

642
00:36:15,820 --> 00:36:16,820
So...

643
00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:17,820
Okay.

644
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:19,820
I think you covered it, boss.

645
00:36:19,820 --> 00:36:20,820
Yeah.

646
00:36:20,820 --> 00:36:21,820
Have a good week, y'all.

647
00:36:21,820 --> 00:36:22,820
Stay safe.

648
00:36:22,820 --> 00:36:23,820
Have a good week.

649
00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:24,820
Stay safe.

650
00:36:24,820 --> 00:36:40,720
Bye!